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so hello and welcome to another edition
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so hello and welcome to another edition
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to our listener maybe plural thank you
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to our listener maybe plural thank you
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for joining us again this week
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for joining us again this week
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the topics we're going to cover are
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the topics we're going to cover are
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the minimum wage and we're going to talk
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the minimum wage and we're going to talk
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a little bit about our favorite topic
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a little bit about our favorite topic
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measurement so before we start there's a
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measurement so before we start there's a
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free lunch is part of the texas podcast
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free lunch is part of the texas podcast
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in this podcast represent the views of
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in this podcast represent the views of
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and not the of the university of texas
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so before we get into what's hopefully
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so before we get into what's hopefully
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uh we want to recap a couple of the
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uh we want to recap a couple of the
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events we've had recently at the center
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and so i want to start with valentine
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bolotney's excellent paper
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bolotney's excellent paper
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why do women earn less than men evidence
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why do women earn less than men evidence
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so this is a fantastic working paper
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that seeks to understand the gender pay
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that seeks to understand the gender pay
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through an analysis of the time cards
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of transit workers in boston and so why
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of transit workers in boston and so why
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this is so cool
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is inbox is for mbta employees
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the uh everyone basically earns this
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the uh everyone basically earns this
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yeah there's a union contract
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such that it doesn't matter who you are
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is just dependent on the amount you work
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partially where is the gender pay gap
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they find that female workers take fewer
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read the paper the links are in the show
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and now i'm going to turn it over to
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carlos who's going to talk about some of
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carlos who's going to talk about some of
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yeah so one of the uh unifying themes of
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first of all welcome everybody sorry
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say hello first but one of the unifying
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say hello first but one of the unifying
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themes of this four topics that we're
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is what what steve already mentioned the
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measurement how do we measure how do we
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measurement how do we measure how do we
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assess whether you know we're seeing a
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and so on and there's a
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a lot of what we saw in this past four
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a lot of what we saw in this past four
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really helps isolate the effect of that
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if trying to understand the gender pay
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78 cents on a dollar numbers there are
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overall averages might not be as
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overall averages might not be as
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the source of the problem the origin of
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the source of the problem the origin of
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the problem as as
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doing things there are a little bit more
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doing things there are a little bit more
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apple to apple comparison more careful
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apple to apple comparison more careful
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comparisons such as the work as
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so there i mean the bottom line there is
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so there i mean the bottom line there is
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that once you take
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you know really apples to apples
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you know really apples to apples
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comparisons you see that flexibility
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comparisons you see that flexibility
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is one of the huge components associated
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is one of the huge components associated
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why women get paid less
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they demand more flexible jobs and that
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not necessarily with the structure of
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the companies but rather has to do with
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the companies but rather has to do with
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the structure of family life the
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structure of social arrangements that we
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structure of social arrangements that we
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um a lot of the efforts in dealing with
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um a lot of the efforts in dealing with
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and maybe they're not the bad guys here
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and maybe they're not the bad guys here
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maybe they are not the culprits here but
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maybe they are not the culprits here but
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rather the way we structure our social
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rather the way we structure our social
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caring of elders and and so on and so
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caring of elders and and so on and so
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forth so his paper is really really nice
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in in highlighting that and emphasizing
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that in a very clean
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that in a very clean
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uh setting and providing us with that
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the other three things that that we had
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the other three things that that we had
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minimum wage and that to me was a really
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minimum wage and that to me was a really
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a senate bill that eventually removed
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a senate bill that eventually removed
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right the 15 minimum wage target
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right the 15 minimum wage target
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something that has been talked about and
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something that has been talked about and
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a lot of political circuits for the
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a lot of political circuits for the
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uh for the past what i know a few years
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uh for the past what i know a few years
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policy idea and and here we had somebody
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policy idea and and here we had somebody
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that has been working on the minimum
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that has been working on the minimum
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wage on the impact of minimum wage for a
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wage on the impact of minimum wage for a
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long time so so david newmark if you
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long time so so david newmark if you
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look at the recording of that
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of that episode um he he has been you
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of that episode um he he has been you
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essentially spent on trying to
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understand the effect of minimum wage on
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understand the effect of minimum wage on
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onto primarily onto hours work so so the
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onto primarily onto hours work so so the
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the the the sort of natural thing that
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the the the sort of natural thing that
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we think about is that
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we think about is that
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raise the minimum wage you might have a
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raise the minimum wage you might have a
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decay in the demand for labor right so
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decay in the demand for labor right so
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so labor demand goes down therefore
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so labor demand goes down therefore
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maybe people are going to have
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maybe people are going to have
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fewer hours available for them to work
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fewer hours available for them to work
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so there's an impact on on work hours on
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so there's an impact on on work hours on
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but he actually extended that and not
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but he actually extended that and not
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only he did a very good job summarizing
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only he did a very good job summarizing
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the extent of the literature on the
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the extent of the literature on the
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effect of minimum wage law changes
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effect of minimum wage law changes
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onto employment effect but also focusing
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onto employment effect but also focusing
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i'll let people jump in here please jump
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i'll let people jump in here please jump
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in whenever but that but the idea in
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in whenever but that but the idea in
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poverty is that
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poverty is that
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two goals of raising the minimum wage
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two goals of raising the minimum wage
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law might be one to raise
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law might be one to raise
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give a raise to workers and it is true
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give a raise to workers and it is true
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that the workers who keep their jobs
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that the workers who keep their jobs
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will get a raise if they are working
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will get a raise if they are working
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minimum wage now um
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minimum wage now um
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and in the minimum wages rates right
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and in the minimum wages rates right
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however some workers might lose their
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however some workers might lose their
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job and that's pretty clear in the
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job and that's pretty clear in the
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there is this employment effect
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there is this employment effect
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associated with it the other aspect of
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it might be something to do with
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it might be something to do with
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redistribution and alleviating poverty
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and that was a
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to me what i learned was a new thing
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to me what i learned was a new thing
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that i learned from his talk was the
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that i learned from his talk was the
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if you're trying to use the minimum wage
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if you're trying to use the minimum wage
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as a tool to fight poverty
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as a tool to fight poverty
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turns out to be a tool that it's not as
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turns out to be a tool that it's not as
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in fact the most people that are going
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in fact the most people that are going
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to benefit by raising the minimum wage
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to benefit by raising the minimum wage
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were folks that had i think
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were folks that had i think
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what was the number steve maybe you
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what was the number steve maybe you
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remember uh there are
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remember uh there are
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living uh three times the poverty line
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living uh three times the poverty line
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right so there are three times above
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right so there are three times above
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what we think the poverty line is so
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what we think the poverty line is so
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we're talking about teenage kids
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we're talking about teenage kids
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we're talking about folks that live in
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we're talking about folks that live in
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households that have extra income and
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households that have extra income and
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other sources so you're not really
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other sources so you're not really
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necessarily helping the most vulnerable
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with uh uh with a tool like that
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with uh uh with a tool like that
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is that is that the number is that uh uh
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is that is that the number is that uh uh
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that am i saying that correct i think
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that am i saying that correct i think
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uh i'll look it up and put it in the
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uh i'll look it up and put it in the
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only on the accuracy of our podcast
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right right um i don't know does anybody
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right right um i don't know does anybody
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else want to comment on the minimum wage
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else want to comment on the minimum wage
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i mean maybe that's
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i mean maybe that's
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or did i change the order here go ahead
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or did i change the order here go ahead
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which of us
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is going ahead i don't know just do it
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is going ahead i don't know just do it
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you know i mean my own
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you know i mean my own
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take on these issues i come at this is a
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take on these issues i come at this is a
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philosopher rather than
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philosopher rather than
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as an economist and rather than somebody
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as an economist and rather than somebody
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with a particular background in policy
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with a particular background in policy
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is i think of these issues first and
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is i think of these issues first and
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foremost is moral issues
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foremost is moral issues
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and i think minimum wages are morally
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and i think minimum wages are morally
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i think there are restrictions on
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i think there are restrictions on
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to work in ways that are mutually
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agreeable to those people
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i don't think that's justifiable i think
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i don't think that's justifiable i think
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it's a violation of rights
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it's a violation of rights
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and i think things like that can in
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and i think things like that can in
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principle only lead to harms
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principle only lead to harms
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but when you then go to look at well
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but when you then go to look at well
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what are the actual effects in practice
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what are the actual effects in practice
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it's uh if i'm right about the moral
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it's uh if i'm right about the moral
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principles at stake and i think i am we
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principles at stake and i think i am we
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could argue at some other time
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could argue at some other time
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then it can only lead to harms and
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then it can only lead to harms and
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practice but that doesn't tell you
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practice but that doesn't tell you
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exactly what harm is where
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exactly what harm is where
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how it'll work out and of course you
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how it'll work out and of course you
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always want to check on your principles
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always want to check on your principles
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by seeing how things actually do work
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by seeing how things actually do work
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out in practice and
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uh you enrich your understanding of the
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uh you enrich your understanding of the
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and vice versa
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and so i'm really interested in in
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and so i'm really interested in in
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following this kind of work and seeing
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following this kind of work and seeing
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what we find when we do enact these
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what we find when we do enact these
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so i i it's interesting you should say
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so i i it's interesting you should say
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that greg because i
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i have almost an entirely different view
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i have almost an entirely different view
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having worked at the sec for a decade
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having worked at the sec for a decade
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one of the things that really struck me
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one of the things that really struck me
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there was that fraud is prevalent always
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there was that fraud is prevalent always
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and tremendous amount of resources are
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and tremendous amount of resources are
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by the government to protect people who
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otherwise can't protect themselves
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i think particularly here we're talking
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who aren't a position to fight for their
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who aren't a position to fight for their
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own right to protect themselves it can
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and really this this comes down to you
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and really this this comes down to you
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know issue of choice and free choice
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some people in a better position to
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choose than others and i think here
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choose than others and i think here
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we're talking about a set of people that
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we're talking about a set of people that
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don't have an alternative and if
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somebody offers them three dollars an
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hour versus four
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their choice you know maybe zero and so
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their choice you know maybe zero and so
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i i view it a little bit differently and
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i i view it a little bit differently and
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you know i understand the perspective
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you know i understand the perspective
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you're coming from
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uh but you know i also view it from a
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uh but you know i also view it from a
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perspective of exceptionalism where in
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perspective of exceptionalism where in
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i don't think uh we can apply like
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i don't think uh we can apply like
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you know specific solutions all right
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you know specific solutions all right
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scott but let me let me ask you what
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scott but let me let me ask you what
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what go ahead go ahead
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what go ahead go ahead
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okay so why why why don't we structure
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okay so why why why don't we structure
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this discussion and
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suppose suppose you're joe manchin for
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suppose suppose you're joe manchin for
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and you basically have the power to set
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and you basically have the power to set
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the minimum wage essentially anywhere
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the minimum wage essentially anywhere
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an hour and 15 an hour so what minimum
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an hour and 15 an hour so what minimum
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wage would you set
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wage would you set
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why and you know what trade-offs are you
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why and you know what trade-offs are you
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okay with and which ones
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aren't you okay with that's a great
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aren't you okay with that's a great
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i'll go first oh you you let me go first
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i'll go first oh you you let me go first
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let's jump right in there
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let's jump right in there
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i think it's an empirical question we
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don't know the answer until we try
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don't know the answer until we try
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it's like many things we do know the
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answer and that's actually that's why i
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disagree i think we do know the answer
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um the answer here is that the effect is
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um the answer here is that the effect is
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up to you know small modifications of
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is going to have absolutely no effect on
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or or or or really raises because the de
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or or or or really raises because the de
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facto minimum wage in most places is
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there's very few people in the state of
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that actually makes 7.25 an hour so so
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that actually makes 7.25 an hour so so
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that's a very very small set of people
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that's a very very small set of people
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that would potentially benefit from that
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but it is a set of people that would
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there is a set of people that would
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no no if they keep their jobs let's
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no no if they keep their jobs let's
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let's let's be clear there's a subset of
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let's let's be clear there's a subset of
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from that if there's no disemployment
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effect they might lose hours right so
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effect they might lose hours right so
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if we go for example now and i'm going
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if we go for example now and i'm going
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to say that the magnitude matters here
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to say that the magnitude matters here
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right the seattle experiment seems to
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right the seattle experiment seems to
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point out the direction that
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point out the direction that
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um folks that kept their jobs maybe saw
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um folks that kept their jobs maybe saw
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uh an increase but on average everybody
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uh an increase but on average everybody
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a paid degrees because the the number of
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hours demanded it went down so
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much more than the amount that was paid
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much more than the amount that was paid
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right so there's a little triangle in
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right so there's a little triangle in
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our supply and demand curve that was
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our supply and demand curve that was
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actually negative
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as a result so uh my answer to the joe
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as a result so uh my answer to the joe
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mentioned questions at 725
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mentioned questions at 725
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don't touch it don't touch it because
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don't touch it don't touch it because
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it's not necessarily needed you're not
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it's not necessarily needed you're not
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doing
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any good whatsoever in particular in
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any good whatsoever in particular in
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places that are most vulnerable the
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places that are most vulnerable the
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places that you're going to end up
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places that you're going to end up
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hurting the most
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hurting the most
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so i think the lowest average wage that
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so i think the lowest average wage that
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you see in the country is in mississippi
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you see in the country is in mississippi
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for example
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for example
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where you have a lot of workers there
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where you have a lot of workers there
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maybe get played closer to the minimum
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maybe get played closer to the minimum
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wage if not at the minimum wage
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wage if not at the minimum wage
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and in places like that where uh the
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and in places like that where uh the
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types of skills they're being demanded
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types of skills they're being demanded
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are low
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are low
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uh you get you know again you see a a
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uh you get you know again you see a a
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larger potential disemployment effect
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larger potential disemployment effect
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and therefore
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you might end up hurting the people
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you might end up hurting the people
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they're hurt they're needing the most as
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they're hurt they're needing the most as
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a result
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of of the policy so i think we do and
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of of the policy so i think we do and
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and and that's where i i
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and and that's where i i
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really enjoyed the presentations that i
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really enjoyed the presentations that i
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remember i don't know if you remember
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remember i don't know if you remember
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this but i asked david
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this but i asked david
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david give me your political background
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david give me your political background
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here just so i know
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here just so i know
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who's talking about this not you know
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who's talking about this not you know
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conservative carlos talking right
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conservative carlos talking right
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like he's like i never voted for the
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like he's like i never voted for the
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republican my whole life in fact david
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republican my whole life in fact david
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if you follow him on twitter he sounds
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if you follow him on twitter he sounds
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to me as somebody very very liberal
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to me as somebody very very liberal
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and through his research through his
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and through his research through his
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empirical work
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empirical work
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he's basically convinced that don't
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he's basically convinced that don't
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touch that that's not a a tool for you
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touch that that's not a a tool for you
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to help
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to help
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people at all there's much better ways
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people at all there's much better ways
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there's much better ways to alleviate
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there's much better ways to alleviate
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poverty to help the people in need
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poverty to help the people in need
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than to to to to mess up with the sort
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than to to to to mess up with the sort
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of arrangements in the labor market
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of arrangements in the labor market
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yeah so i i would agree that if you set
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yeah so i i would agree that if you set
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a minimum wage to distort the market
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a minimum wage to distort the market
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you could say in a way that distorts the
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you could say in a way that distorts the
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market economy i also agree that there
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market economy i also agree that there
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are probably better solutions and i
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are probably better solutions and i
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liked his talk a lot for the reasons
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liked his talk a lot for the reasons
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that he gave
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that he gave
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but you know there are also a couple you
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but you know there are also a couple you
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know things that i noticed in this
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know things that i noticed in this
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presentation like in the empirical
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presentation like in the empirical
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i think it showed that maybe three
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i think it showed that maybe three
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quarters of it showed to be a negative
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quarters of it showed to be a negative
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effect and one quarter of the research
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effect and one quarter of the research
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had a positive effect and so really it's
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had a positive effect and so really it's
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but what i really noticed is that
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but what i really noticed is that
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there's so few academic papers that talk
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there's so few academic papers that talk
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about the zero effects it's a problem
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about the zero effects it's a problem
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with academia in general which is
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with academia in general which is
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you don't ever publish the zero effects
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you don't ever publish the zero effects
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right the no effects and so
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right the no effects and so
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we have uh there's a selection bias in
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we have uh there's a selection bias in
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the research that we have
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the research that we have
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where people have found an effect and
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where people have found an effect and
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maybe that speaks towards
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maybe that speaks towards
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you don't do anything about it but i
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you don't do anything about it but i
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also think there's a lot of evidence
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also think there's a lot of evidence
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that's just purely mission
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that's just purely mission
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missing because economists have
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missing because economists have
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researched this didn't find anything
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researched this didn't find anything
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which is in itself an important fact but
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which is in itself an important fact but
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nobody knows about it because they
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nobody knows about it because they
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couldn't get it published somewhere
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couldn't get it published somewhere
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well it's worth noting that one of the
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well it's worth noting that one of the
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famous studies in the minimum wage
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famous studies in the minimum wage
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card and kruger found no no effects
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card and kruger found no no effects
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an interesting counterpoint to newmark
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an interesting counterpoint to newmark
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is there's a very good economist at the
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is there's a very good economist at the
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university of massachusetts
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university of massachusetts
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amherst erin dube who take
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amherst erin dube who take
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takes the takes the opposite approach
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takes the takes the opposite approach
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that he he thinks that
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that he he thinks that
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we should in fact raise the raise the
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we should in fact raise the raise the
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i don't want to put words in his mouth
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i don't want to put words in his mouth
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so i don't i don't remember exactly what
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so i don't i don't remember exactly what
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um level level he thought but it's
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um level level he thought but it's
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really interesting that you have two you
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really interesting that you have two you
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know incredibly talented economists
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know incredibly talented economists
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at at either side of
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at at either side of
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this issue uh now to give before we go
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this issue uh now to give before we go
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further
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i want to give a little uh sort of
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i want to give a little uh sort of
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international context to the 15
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international context to the 15
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minimum wage so or the proposed 15
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minimum wage so or the proposed 15
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post increase so right you might ask
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post increase so right you might ask
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like well what's the highest minimum
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like well what's the highest minimum
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wage in the world
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wage in the world
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it turns out that's in geneva
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it turns out that's in geneva
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switzerland at 25
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switzerland at 25
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an hour and if you've ever been to
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an hour and if you've ever been to
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it is like if you think new york is
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it is like if you think new york is
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expensive uh it has
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expensive uh it has
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nothing on geneva but
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nothing on geneva but
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that's that's that's an extreme outlier
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that's that's that's an extreme outlier
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in a place where a sandwich costs 25
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in a place where a sandwich costs 25
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the highest minimum wages that we could
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the highest minimum wages that we could
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find via the
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find via the
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this data is from the oecd it's across
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this data is from the oecd it's across
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countries so all the data is
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countries so all the data is
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comparable is that luxembourg and
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comparable is that luxembourg and
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australia have the highest minimum wages
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australia have the highest minimum wages
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that are about
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that are about
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13 and 40 cents an hour it converted to
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13 and 40 cents an hour it converted to
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u.s dollars based on 2019 prices
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u.s dollars based on 2019 prices
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so a 15 minimum wage would be the
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so a 15 minimum wage would be the
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highest in the developed world uh
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highest in the developed world uh
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countries with minimum wages close to
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countries with minimum wages close to
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the us include israel they're about
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the us include israel they're about
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eight dollars an hour
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eight dollars an hour
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and south korea at seven dollars and
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and south korea at seven dollars and
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twenty cents an hour
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twenty cents an hour
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and it's worth noting in this debate so
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and it's worth noting in this debate so
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there's been a lot of talk about denmark
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there's been a lot of talk about denmark
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you know denmark is this great example
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you know denmark is this great example
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the there is no minimum wage in denmark
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the there is no minimum wage in denmark
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interestingly what denmark has is a
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interestingly what denmark has is a
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system called flex security
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system called flex security
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and it's basically a combination of a
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and it's basically a combination of a
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right to work state with strong unions
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right to work state with strong unions
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generous social insurance
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generous social insurance
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and universal health care and basically
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and universal health care and basically
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unless uh bernie sanders becomes the
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unless uh bernie sanders becomes the
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median voter in the u.s senate which
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median voter in the u.s senate which
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i don't see happening anytime soon i
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i don't see happening anytime soon i
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don't think denmark
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don't think denmark
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is a particularly uh
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is a particularly uh
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useful uh useful comparison
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useful uh useful comparison
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so it does does the fact that a 15
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so it does does the fact that a 15
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minimum wage would be
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minimum wage would be
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you know basically the highest among the
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you know basically the highest among the
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highest in the developed world does that
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highest in the developed world does that
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does that change your views in
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does that change your views in
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in in in any way so i gave my answer i
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in in in any way so i gave my answer i
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want to
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i guess because i gave my answer where
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i guess because i gave my answer where
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should it be i think fifteen dollars an
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should it be i think fifteen dollars an
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hour is a bad idea and i think it's
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hour is a bad idea and i think it's
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for two reasons one we don't know what
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for two reasons one we don't know what
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the effect will be because one thing
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the effect will be because one thing
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that david pointed out was that
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that david pointed out was that
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all the elasticities that have been
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all the elasticities that have been
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measured are measured on 50 cent one
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measured are measured on 50 cent one
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dollar increases
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dollar increases
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and this is a shock to the system so any
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and this is a shock to the system so any
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prediction that we have
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prediction that we have
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based on that data i think would be very
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based on that data i think would be very
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unreliable and it's a bad idea
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unreliable and it's a bad idea
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and two the other thing that i said was
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and two the other thing that i said was
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that i think there should be a floor
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that i think there should be a floor
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because there are appropriation issues
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because there are appropriation issues
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in the economy
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in the economy
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but the floor needs to be pretty low so
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but the floor needs to be pretty low so
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that you don't have distortionary
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that you don't have distortionary
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effects because california is different
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effects because california is different
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than mississippi and so having a federal
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than mississippi and so having a federal
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doesn't make sense it's not the biggest
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doesn't make sense it's not the biggest
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problem the government has and i've seen
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problem the government has and i've seen
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this up close for 12 years and they come
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this up close for 12 years and they come
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up with a one-size-fits-all policy
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up with a one-size-fits-all policy
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because we're not a one-size country and
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because we're not a one-size country and
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so i think fifteen dollars would be a
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so i think fifteen dollars would be a
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tremendous risk
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tremendous risk
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that doesn't mean that seven dollars the
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that doesn't mean that seven dollars the
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wrong answer you bring up scott
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wrong answer you bring up scott
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you bring up something really great here
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you bring up something really great here
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is that why is the feds getting involved
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is that why is the feds getting involved
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with this at all
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with this at all
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that's the other thing like we have a
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that's the other thing like we have a
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you know a social contract that
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you know a social contract that
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basically says like listen this is
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basically says like listen this is
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something that the states should do and
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something that the states should do and
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you absolutely write the the
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you absolutely write the the
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differentiate the
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differentiate the
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the different economies that we have in
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the different economies that we have in
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different states and the different so
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different states and the different so
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yeah set the floor in different places
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yeah set the floor in different places
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also allows us to learn a little bit
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also allows us to learn a little bit
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better right
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better right
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and and anyway go ahead greg we could
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and and anyway go ahead greg we could
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also ask the same questions about the
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also ask the same questions about the
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states so
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states so
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i've already kind of given my answers to
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i've already kind of given my answers to
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where it should be the current one is
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where it should be the current one is
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what is it 712
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what is it 712
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and that's seven dollars and twelve
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and that's seven dollars and twelve
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cents too high in my opinion
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cents too high in my opinion
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but there are seven twenty five twenty
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but there are seven twenty five twenty
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five sorry that's 7.25 cents too high it
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five sorry that's 7.25 cents too high it
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might be
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might be
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but the the real arguments for this that
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but the the real arguments for this that
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you hear
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you hear
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for a minimum wage of whatever it should
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for a minimum wage of whatever it should
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be are rarely actually economic
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be are rarely actually economic
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arguments
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in terms of what the effects will be
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in terms of what the effects will be
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they're moral arguments and there are
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they're moral arguments and there are
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two the main one that we get
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two the main one that we get
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is that nobody should work full-time and
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is that nobody should work full-time and
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not have a living wage right not have
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not have a living wage right not have
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sufficient to live on
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sufficient to live on
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and that's the argument that you're
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and that's the argument that you're
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getting from democrats in the senate now
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getting from democrats in the senate now
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that's what you hear
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that's what you hear
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um aoc saying when she's talking about
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um aoc saying when she's talking about
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this and others and so one thing we
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this and others and so one thing we
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might think about if we're thinking
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might think about if we're thinking
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about this is is that right why should
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about this is is that right why should
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that be
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that be
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um what what are answers to that for
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um what what are answers to that for
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those of us who don't agree with a
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those of us who don't agree with a
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much higher minimum wage than fifteen
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much higher minimum wage than fifteen
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dollars because fifteen dollars isn't
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dollars because fifteen dollars isn't
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high enough
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high enough
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to satisfy that standard um and then the
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to satisfy that standard um and then the
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other argument which i think you hear
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other argument which i think you hear
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less often is the argument that scott's
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less often is the argument that scott's
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making
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making
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um um about expropriation but
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um um about expropriation but
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there it doesn't seem to me like really
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there it doesn't seem to me like really
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an argument for a minimum wage because i
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an argument for a minimum wage because i
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think the
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think the
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kinds of expropriation that are likely
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kinds of expropriation that are likely
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happening at the bottom of the wage
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happening at the bottom of the wage
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scale
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are most likely happening with people
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are most likely happening with people
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who aren't working on the books anyway
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who aren't working on the books anyway
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where it's not happening legally
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where it's not happening legally
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where people would be able to
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where people would be able to
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expropriate just the same
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expropriate just the same
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uh whatever we set the wages on the
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uh whatever we set the wages on the
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books at so i would think that
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books at so i would think that
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there definitely needs to be enforcement
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there definitely needs to be enforcement
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mechanisms for people who are
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mechanisms for people who are
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defrauding people where there's some
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defrauding people where there's some
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kind of coercion involved
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kind of coercion involved
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uh where there's agreements that there
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uh where there's agreements that there
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isn't a real meeting of the minds in
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isn't a real meeting of the minds in
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but i i this seems to me the wrong legal
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but i i this seems to me the wrong legal
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instrument to deal with
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instrument to deal with
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um with those kinds of violations
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um with those kinds of violations
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and and that's the typical the you know
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and and that's the typical the you know
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disagreement between whether you
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disagreement between whether you
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legislate something or whether you
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legislate something or whether you
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adjudicate in the courts right i think
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adjudicate in the courts right i think
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people like greg and i are way more
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people like greg and i are way more
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happy
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to make sure that our courts are working
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to make sure that our courts are working
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right and if people are being
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right and if people are being
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you know their rights being violated
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you know their rights being violated
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some degree you you go and and and
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some degree you you go and and and
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challenge in the courts
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challenge in the courts
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now ash is a good question greg about
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now ash is a good question greg about
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about the people in the informal economy
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about the people in the informal economy
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i actually i don't know that that's
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i actually i don't know that that's
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something to to look into
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something to to look into
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uh but my impression at least living in
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uh but my impression at least living in
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texas where we have a very large number
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texas where we have a very large number
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of undocumented
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of undocumented
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uh uh workers right uh
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uh uh workers right uh
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probably you know we interact with them
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probably you know we interact with them
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very frequently in restaurants and
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very frequently in restaurants and
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yard work and uh home depot whatever
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yard work and uh home depot whatever
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there's lots of places that
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there's lots of places that
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you know you see that that and my
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you know you see that that and my
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understanding is that they're going
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understanding is that they're going
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right there
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right there
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for that very very entry level job into
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for that very very entry level job into
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our economy it's not seven dollars an
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our economy it's not seven dollars an
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hour
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hour
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um there was an article now long ago
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um there was an article now long ago
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talking about how difficult it is to
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talking about how difficult it is to
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find people to clear brush
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find people to clear brush
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in central texas right now and you know
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in central texas right now and you know
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that is paying 12 13
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that is paying 12 13
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an hour so that's like even in that so
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an hour so that's like even in that so
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the shortage of work here
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the shortage of work here
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of working workers in taxes is so high
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of working workers in taxes is so high
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that the market economy that the market
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that the market economy that the market
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forces are
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forces are
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at work and leading people to even
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at work and leading people to even
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people that
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people that
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don't have the legal protection of the
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don't have the legal protection of the
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system because they're outside of the
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system because they're outside of the
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to actually benefit from from the
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to actually benefit from from the
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economic activity taking place
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economic activity taking place
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i mean right now we are in a real labor
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i mean right now we are in a real labor
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shortage in texas it seems in a lot of
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shortage in texas it seems in a lot of
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i've noticed this just you know trying
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i've noticed this just you know trying
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to get some work done around my house
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to get some work done around my house
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and uh i i have no idea whether the
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and uh i i have no idea whether the
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people ultimately doing the work
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people ultimately doing the work
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employed by the companies
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employed by the companies
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what their immigration status is but
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what their immigration status is but
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whatever you know in many of these
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whatever you know in many of these
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um it's just very hard to find workers
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um it's just very hard to find workers
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of uh
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of uh
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of any sort these days and so the prices
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of any sort these days and so the prices
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are being bid up as they should be
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are being bid up as they should be
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yeah i just uh follow on i to something
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yeah i just uh follow on i to something
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carlos said
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carlos said
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or if somebody said i think minimum wage
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or if somebody said i think minimum wage
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is one tool but not the tool
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is one tool but not the tool
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like you can't solve these problems
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like you can't solve these problems
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particularly if you're talking about
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particularly if you're talking about
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poverty i think that's pretty clear you
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poverty i think that's pretty clear you
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can't solve it with a
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can't solve it with a
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minimum wage but i do think it's one
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minimum wage but i do think it's one
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tool and one thing that i like about it
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tool and one thing that i like about it
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maybe this is you know my government
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maybe this is you know my government
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hack coming back on again
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hack coming back on again
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i like standards i like playing
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i like standards i like playing
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departures in the same way in asset
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departures in the same way in asset
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pricing and finance i like there's a
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pricing and finance i like there's a
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risk-free rate
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risk-free rate
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we benchmark everything off of it it's
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we benchmark everything off of it it's
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not the analog here but
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not the analog here but
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having a point of departure for
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having a point of departure for
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discussion on what a wage should be
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discussion on what a wage should be
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i think is important i don't think it
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i think is important i don't think it
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should be zero and you know
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should be zero and you know
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that's a perspective that i've held for
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that's a perspective that i've held for
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a really long time because of like the
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a really long time because of like the
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behavioral views of like
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behavioral views of like
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where do we even start this discussion
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where do we even start this discussion
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give me a point i think it should be low
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give me a point i think it should be low
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but i think it's also a point that's
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but i think it's also a point that's
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better than zero when talking with
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better than zero when talking with
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somebody about what should my wage be
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somebody about what should my wage be
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let me just uh bring up one more point
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let me just uh bring up one more point
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on the minimum wage something that we
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on the minimum wage something that we
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had a discussion here in my house
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had a discussion here in my house
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yesterday about it
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yesterday about it
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we have a a nanny that works with us
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we have a a nanny that works with us
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that she's a ut student
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that she's a ut student
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and in her major aut she's required
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and in her major aut she's required
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to do an internship to graduate all
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to do an internship to graduate all
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right so listen to the story this is
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right so listen to the story this is
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incredible
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incredible
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she's required to the internship to
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she's required to the internship to
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graduate now the internship has to be
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graduate now the internship has to be
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approved by ut
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approved by ut
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so ut has to approve that internship
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so ut has to approve that internship
okay
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okay
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okay
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so the major has to say okay that's an
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so the major has to say okay that's an
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internship that counts for your
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internship that counts for your
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graduation requirements
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graduation requirements
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the internships available for that
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the internships available for that
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however are internships that are getting
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however are internships that are getting
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people to work
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people to work
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for about 15 hours a week
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for about 15 hours a week
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over entire semester and they give the
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over entire semester and they give the
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student a thousand bucks
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student a thousand bucks
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all right so you calculate 15 times 15
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all right so you calculate 15 times 15
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you know divide a thousand by
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you know divide a thousand by
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by 15 square you're not gonna get a
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by 15 square you're not gonna get a
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pretty high
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pretty high
[Laughter]
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[Laughter]
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[Laughter]
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dollar per hour uh work here and that's
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dollar per hour uh work here and that's
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being forced by our university right
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being forced by our university right
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so the reason i bring this up is because
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so the reason i bring this up is because
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i'm from brazil where we also had
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i'm from brazil where we also had
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the minimum wage being a binding law in
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the minimum wage being a binding law in
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in the job market their minimum wage
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in the job market their minimum wage
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actually is too high in brazil
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actually is too high in brazil
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and actually creates a lot of
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and actually creates a lot of
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disempowerment effect creates a lot of
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disempowerment effect creates a lot of
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uh
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uh
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underground economy as a result so on
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underground economy as a result so on
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and so forth and one of the subterfuge
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and so forth and one of the subterfuge
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that companies and the system does is
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that companies and the system does is
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this idea that oh jobs there are
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this idea that oh jobs there are
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training jobs
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training jobs
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you're not really working you're
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you're not really working you're
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learning it's like no you're working
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learning it's like no you're working
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and but because you're deemed a
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and but because you're deemed a
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apprentice or a
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apprentice or a
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intern you know the company is allowed
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intern you know the company is allowed
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to pay you less so
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to pay you less so
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once again there's unintended
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once again there's unintended
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consequences of of the sort of like
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consequences of of the sort of like
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trying to put a pr interpreter floor or
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trying to put a pr interpreter floor or
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or a constraint
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or a constraint
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in the supply and demand at work here
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in the supply and demand at work here
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that
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that
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in special interests and folks start
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in special interests and folks start
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working to try to get around that to
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working to try to get around that to
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whatever way they can right
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whatever way they can right
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if that if you're paying somebody over
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if that if you're paying somebody over
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their marginal product of labor
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their marginal product of labor
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you're just not going to do it as a
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you're just not going to do it as a
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company and you know either you're going
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company and you know either you're going
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to find other ways to do it or you're
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to find other ways to do it or you're
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going to fight other other other
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going to fight other other other
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sort of vehicles to get there which is
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sort of vehicles to get there which is
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you know carlos something that came up
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you know carlos something that came up
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david talk david's talk i thought was
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david talk david's talk i thought was
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super interesting that i didn't realize
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super interesting that i didn't realize
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is that
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is that
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40 of minimum wage earners are in
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40 of minimum wage earners are in
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households that have
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households that have
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are 3x above the minimum or the poverty
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are 3x above the minimum or the poverty
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line
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and and the speculation is that that was
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and and the speculation is that that was
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you know a lot of high school workers
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you know a lot of high school workers
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and i remember like i came up in a
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and i remember like i came up in a
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middle income maybe middle high income
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middle income maybe middle high income
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family and i remember uh my parents gave
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family and i remember uh my parents gave
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me a used car
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me a used car
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when i turned 16 that you know not
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when i turned 16 that you know not
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people get that but they said
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people get that but they said
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if you want to drive it you better earn
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if you want to drive it you better earn
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your own gas money so
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your own gas money so
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i worked at kmart and i made three
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i worked at kmart and i made three
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dollars and fifty cents an hour which is
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dollars and fifty cents an hour which is
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15 cents above the minimum wage
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15 cents above the minimum wage
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and i got my gas money and my parents
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and i got my gas money and my parents
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did that to teach me the value of
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did that to teach me the value of
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working
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working
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and working at kmart and you know if the
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and working at kmart and you know if the
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minimum wage were
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minimum wage were
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you know the equivalent like seven
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you know the equivalent like seven
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dollars an hour back then they probably
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dollars an hour back then they probably
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wouldn't have hired me and i wouldn't
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wouldn't have hired me and i wouldn't
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have had that benefit or gas money
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have had that benefit or gas money
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uh for my car but this also speaks you
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uh for my car but this also speaks you
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can extend this like au pairs that come
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can extend this like au pairs that come
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over
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over
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you know from europe and we've had one
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you know from europe and we've had one
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and they work 40 hours a week and if you
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and they work 40 hours a week and if you
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look at their wages it's like below
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look at their wages it's like below
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you know the minimum wage or right at it
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you know the minimum wage or right at it
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but they're coming over for experience
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but they're coming over for experience
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right
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right
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they come over to learn a language be
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they come over to learn a language be
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with their family and so there's all
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with their family and so there's all
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sorts of way you can look at this number
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sorts of way you can look at this number
that
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that
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that
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ends up with a lot of flaws and trying
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ends up with a lot of flaws and trying
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to set a number
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to set a number
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if you try to squeeze every situation
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if you try to squeeze every situation
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into it
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into it
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this speaks back to the aoc argument
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this speaks back to the aoc argument
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that
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that
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nobody should be working 40 hours a week
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nobody should be working 40 hours a week
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and earning less than you need to live
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and earning less than you need to live
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on
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and i don't think that's true in any
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and i don't think that's true in any
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case i think
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case i think
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what you earn is a fraction of what you
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what you earn is a fraction of what you
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create when you work
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create when you work
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and um but
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and um but
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many people are working not to earn what
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many people are working not to earn what
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they need to live on
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they need to live on
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they're working to get experience
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they're working to get experience
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they're working to learn certain skills
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they're working to learn certain skills
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or they're working for some mixture of
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or they're working for some mixture of
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those things and the money
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those things and the money
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which is really what was going on with
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which is really what was going on with
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you scott as a teenager having a job and
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you scott as a teenager having a job and
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me too
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me too
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um it wasn't that you didn't want the
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um it wasn't that you didn't want the
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money but it wasn't that you were living
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money but it wasn't that you were living
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on that money
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on that money
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um and uh and for some people it's it's
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um and uh and for some people it's it's
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all sorts of combinations in between
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all sorts of combinations in between
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and what having a minimum wage does is
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and what having a minimum wage does is
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basically makes those jobs illegal
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basically makes those jobs illegal
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or it makes those jobs illegal unless
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or it makes those jobs illegal unless
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you
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find some other category to put them in
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find some other category to put them in
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where you call them training
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where you call them training
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special interests right exactly yeah um
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special interests right exactly yeah um
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now what you can do is have a carve out
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now what you can do is have a carve out
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for training
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for training
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but then you get this kind of weird
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but then you get this kind of weird
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switch like is it training well then
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switch like is it training well then
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these rules apply
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these rules apply
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is it work well then these rules apply
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is it work well then these rules apply
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really what it often is is a combination
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really what it often is is a combination
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of both for almost every job
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of both for almost every job
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and the flexibility to find the
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and the flexibility to find the
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arrangements that are mutually
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arrangements that are mutually
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beneficial to the employee and the
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beneficial to the employee and the
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employer
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are gone because we're given this rigid
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are gone because we're given this rigid
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set of carve outs in the law
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set of carve outs in the law
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of particular things that are okay and
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of particular things that are okay and
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people aren't able to pursue their own
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people aren't able to pursue their own
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interests and their own happiness by
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interests and their own happiness by
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their own judgment this is why i think
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their own judgment this is why i think
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these kinds of laws are immoral
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these kinds of laws are immoral
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and by the ways for the listeners out
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and by the ways for the listeners out
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there uh just we put this in the show
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there uh just we put this in the show
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notes here steve
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notes here steve
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if you don't know what kmart is that
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if you don't know what kmart is that
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maybe tells you something about scott's
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maybe tells you something about scott's
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are there no more k marks are they gone
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are there no more k marks are they gone
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i don't need to rk mars for a long time
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i don't need to rk mars for a long time
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no blue light specials sorry scott
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no blue light specials sorry scott
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attention kmart shoppers in the apparel
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attention kmart shoppers in the apparel
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department for the next 15 minutes two
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department for the next 15 minutes two
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for one
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for one
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uh anyway so maybe it's a good time to
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uh anyway so maybe it's a good time to
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move on
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move on
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yeah all right so let's let's move on
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yeah all right so let's let's move on
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to talk about uh homelessness to talk
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to talk about uh homelessness to talk
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about uh the
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about uh the
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problem of homelessness and so uh since
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problem of homelessness and so uh since
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we're working out ideas i want to state
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we're working out ideas i want to state
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a couple things before you know before
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a couple things before you know before
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we're talking about this
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we're talking about this
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when we say you know the homeless we do
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when we say you know the homeless we do
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recognize that each homeless per
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recognize that each homeless per
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person first and foremost is a person
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person first and foremost is a person
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deserving of love and respect
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deserving of love and respect
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and that the experience of the
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and that the experience of the
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experiences of the unsheltered are
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experiences of the unsheltered are
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heterogeneous
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heterogeneous
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and so our intent is not to demonize or
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and so our intent is not to demonize or
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otherize or
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otherize or
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for that matter to romanticize this
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for that matter to romanticize this
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vulnerable population
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vulnerable population
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so this is this issue is salient because
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so this is this issue is salient because
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in austin
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in austin
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proposition b is on the ballot and
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proposition b is on the ballot and
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proposition b
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proposition b
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would reinstate the camping ban in
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would reinstate the camping ban in
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downtown austin
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downtown austin
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and while penalties aren't set up in the
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and while penalties aren't set up in the
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host in the whole town the whole yeah
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host in the whole town the whole yeah
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sorry
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sorry
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in the whole town and while penalties
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in the whole town and while penalties
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aren't set out in the language that's on
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aren't set out in the language that's on
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the ballot
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the ballot
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before 2019 the violations of the ban
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before 2019 the violations of the ban
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were considered a class c
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were considered a class c
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misdemeanor which is a crime punishable
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misdemeanor which is a crime punishable
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by a fine of up to 500
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by a fine of up to 500
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so that you don't have to find it you
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so that you don't have to find it you
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could find say
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could find say
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zero um and there were 18 000 of these
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zero um and there were 18 000 of these
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citations issued between 2014
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citations issued between 2014
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and 2016 which is the last year for
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and 2016 which is the last year for
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which
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which
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i could find data so
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i could find data so
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i want to start through this discussion
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i want to start through this discussion
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with just
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with just
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discussing what are the benefits and
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discussing what are the benefits and
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trade-offs of adopting
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trade-offs of adopting
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proposition b and recriminalizing
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proposition b and recriminalizing
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camping
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camping
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and more generally are there any uh
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and more generally are there any uh
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policy approaches
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policy approaches
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to the problem of the unhoused that you
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to the problem of the unhoused that you
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find particularly promising
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find particularly promising
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so again i think there was a another
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so again i think there was a another
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time where where we learned something
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time where where we learned something
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from from measurements that weren't
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from from measurements that weren't
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necessarily
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necessarily
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available to us before so so we had and
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available to us before so so we had and
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to be
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to be
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to disclose here our guest judge lock
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to disclose here our guest judge lock
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from the sister institute
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from the sister institute
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works for a think tank slash lobbying
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works for a think tank slash lobbying
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group which means that they have a
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group which means that they have a
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vested interest in this particular you
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vested interest in this particular you
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know in this particular uh
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know in this particular uh
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uh discussion here so they they're
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uh discussion here so they they're
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really they're pro proposition b which
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really they're pro proposition b which
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by the way we're recording this on a
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by the way we're recording this on a
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friday
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friday
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the election is tomorrow in austin texas
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the election is tomorrow in austin texas
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um
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and and what uh there's not a lot of
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and and what uh there's not a lot of
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data there's not
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data there's not
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good really information about this uh uh
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good really information about this uh uh
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readily available for people to study
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readily available for people to study
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and think about the trade-offs as easily
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and think about the trade-offs as easily
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as we would like to
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as we would like to
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but they did put some effort behind this
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but they did put some effort behind this
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and there were some data coming from
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and there were some data coming from
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phoenix some data coming from l.a some
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phoenix some data coming from l.a some
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data come from
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data come from
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san francisco if you look at their work
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san francisco if you look at their work
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and also austin
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and also austin
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and the one thing that i learned that i
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and the one thing that i learned that i
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i thought was really interesting
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i thought was really interesting
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uh was this notion that in places where
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uh was this notion that in places where
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camping bans got lifted
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camping bans got lifted
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you saw a decrease in the number of
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you saw a decrease in the number of
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sheltered
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homeless and an increase in unsheltered
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homeless and an increase in unsheltered
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homeless and camping in the street
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homeless and camping in the street
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counts as
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counts as
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unsheltered homes okay so what's going
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unsheltered homes okay so what's going
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on here
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on here
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what's going on here is that before
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what's going on here is that before
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camping bans were lifted in those places
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camping bans were lifted in those places
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you had
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you had
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basically the police or some sort of you
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basically the police or some sort of you
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know city service or whatever making
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know city service or whatever making
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sure that people hey you're not supposed
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sure that people hey you're not supposed
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to be here move along move along
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to be here move along move along
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and sometimes finding them so on and so
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and sometimes finding them so on and so
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forth right
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forth right
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um but that led them that led homeless
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um but that led them that led homeless
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to pursue more actively social services
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to pursue more actively social services
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that are available
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that are available
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that will count as shelter so so
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that will count as shelter so so
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shelters would be actually
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shelters would be actually
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uh uh in higher demand as a result of
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uh uh in higher demand as a result of
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that
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that
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once you're given the option it turns
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once you're given the option it turns
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out there's a preference there's a
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out there's a preference there's a
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there's a there's a uh
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there's a there's a uh
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um a review preference here of camping
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um a review preference here of camping
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seems to be a preferred choice than
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seems to be a preferred choice than
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staying in
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staying in
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it or going to the shelters there are
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it or going to the shelters there are
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available so why is that
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available so why is that
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now that's a tough question why are
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now that's a tough question why are
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people preferring to be camping versus
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people preferring to be camping versus
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uh uh the shelters and but i think the
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uh uh the shelters and but i think the
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reality in terms of the consequences of
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reality in terms of the consequences of
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being in the street
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being in the street
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is actually a deterioration of their
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is actually a deterioration of their
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condition
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so be unsheltered for longer leads to
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so be unsheltered for longer leads to
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and though some data and then his talk
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and though some data and then his talk
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his discussion
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his discussion
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on higher drug overdose higher criminal
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on higher drug overdose higher criminal
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petty criminal crimina criminality
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petty criminal crimina criminality
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across the the group with people
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across the the group with people
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probably stealing their stuff or you
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probably stealing their stuff or you
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know or
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know or
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more crimes being committed by them uh
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more crimes being committed by them uh
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higher death rate
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higher death rate
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um which that number was a little iffy i
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um which that number was a little iffy i
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think in the presentation but
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think in the presentation but
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there's some indication of that um
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there's some indication of that um
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and and and i think what we learned from
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and and and i think what we learned from
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that is that well
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that is that well
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once you look at the entire population
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once you look at the entire population
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of homeless folks
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of homeless folks
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you have this sort of two categories of
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you have this sort of two categories of
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people three categories of people i
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people three categories of people i
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think that well
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think that well
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he mentioned in his talk right one
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he mentioned in his talk right one
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that's really people that are in need of
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that's really people that are in need of
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economic need
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economic need
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help that some shock for some reason
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help that some shock for some reason
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are in the streets because you know they
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are in the streets because you know they
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couldn't make the less rent and they
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couldn't make the less rent and they
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couldn't and there's something happened
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couldn't and there's something happened
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in
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in
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in terms of the economy the financial
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in terms of the economy the financial
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side of the scale here that led them to
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side of the scale here that led them to
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be in that situation
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be in that situation
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versus uh the other two groups which is
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versus uh the other two groups which is
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this about 75 percent
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this about 75 percent
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of of of who understand at least is the
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of of of who understand at least is the
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the count right now
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the count right now
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which are folks in situations that are
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which are folks in situations that are
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just not economic it's either
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just not economic it's either
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drug addiction problems or mental
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drug addiction problems or mental
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illness or both
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illness or both
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right so there's something that requires
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right so there's something that requires
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a different type of solution
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a different type of solution
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so the point in in and i think the most
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so the point in in and i think the most
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sort of compelling argument in my mind
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sort of compelling argument in my mind
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of lifting the ban so i'm not lifting
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of lifting the ban so i'm not lifting
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the ban uh restating the ban
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the ban uh restating the ban
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is is that that's a v a tool
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is is that that's a v a tool
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an enforcement tool that will make
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an enforcement tool that will make
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people connect people to services more
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people connect people to services more
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readily
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readily
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more more more more more frequently and
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more more more more more frequently and
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and therefore
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and therefore
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potentially put them in a path to you
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potentially put them in a path to you
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know resolve the situation
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know resolve the situation
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i want to hear greg's view i don't
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i want to hear greg's view i don't
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know what would be best for the people
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know what would be best for the people
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who are under the overpasses now
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who are under the overpasses now
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um but i don't i mean
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um but i don't i mean
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at the going back to the furthest level
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at the going back to the furthest level
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i don't
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i don't
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think there should be public property
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think there should be public property
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there should be as little of it as
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there should be as little of it as
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possible
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possible
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and when there is public property not in
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and when there is public property not in
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the sense of things that are unowned
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the sense of things that are unowned
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like some wilderness somewhere
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like some wilderness somewhere
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but like you know this road this
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but like you know this road this
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courthouse this police station this
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courthouse this police station this
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university these things that are um you
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university these things that are um you
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know parts of the city or state
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know parts of the city or state
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infrastructure i think that that
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infrastructure i think that that
property
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property
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property
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is owned and maintained by the
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is owned and maintained by the
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government state federal or local
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government state federal or local
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for a certain purpose and we have
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for a certain purpose and we have
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uh it's an infringement on the rights of
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uh it's an infringement on the rights of
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everybody when it's used for things
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everybody when it's used for things
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other than its purpose and
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other than its purpose and
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um of course we as a society could
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um of course we as a society could
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decide to expand that purpose but i
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decide to expand that purpose but i
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think it's a mistake too
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think it's a mistake too
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and i think we know that the overpasses
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and i think we know that the overpasses
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are there and are put there and
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are there and are put there and
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maintained there
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maintained there
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not to serve as a place for people to
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not to serve as a place for people to
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uh live um but to
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uh live um but to
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aid in transit right around the city and
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aid in transit right around the city and
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so i think if we want to have public
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so i think if we want to have public
provision
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provision
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provision
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for uh people who don't have homes
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for uh people who don't have homes
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it's the wrong way to do it to just turn
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it's the wrong way to do it to just turn
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over
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over
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everything that's publicly owned in the
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everything that's publicly owned in the
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city as places for them to
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city as places for them to
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gather and you know this uh so i don't
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gather and you know this uh so i don't
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think this is
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think this is
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is a a proper kind of policy i think if
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is a a proper kind of policy i think if
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we're going to have
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we're going to have
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public streets public parks public
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public streets public parks public
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whatever the
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whatever the
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there ought to be defined purposes for
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there ought to be defined purposes for
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these things and people
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these things and people
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should be treated as trespassers if
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should be treated as trespassers if
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they're using them for purposes other
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they're using them for purposes other
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than that
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than that
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but then what ought we to do with people
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but then what ought we to do with people
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who uh
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who uh
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through whatever range of circumstances
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through whatever range of circumstances
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don't have a place to live
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don't have a place to live
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are suffering from mental illness it
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are suffering from mental illness it
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might be through you know
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might be through you know
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uh whatever the case might be and that's
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uh whatever the case might be and that's
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a difficult question i'd like to see it
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a difficult question i'd like to see it
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handled mostly through
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handled mostly through
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private charity but whether it's handled
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private charity but whether it's handled
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through private charity public charity
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through private charity public charity
through
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through
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through
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mental health provisions by the the
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mental health provisions by the the
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local government
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local government
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um it just seems like a distortion of
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um it just seems like a distortion of
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the
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the
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purpose for which we have this property
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purpose for which we have this property
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for it to be used this way
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for it to be used this way
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and that there's a kind of pretense
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and that there's a kind of pretense
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involved in it um
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involved in it um
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it's um public property
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it's um public property
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like when i was a little kid and this
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like when i was a little kid and this
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was wrong something wrong i did i had
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was wrong something wrong i did i had
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the sense like
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the sense like
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the park is mine because it's everyone's
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the park is mine because it's everyone's
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and therefore i can do whatever i want
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and therefore i can do whatever i want
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in it
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in it
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and i have the right to be there doing
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and i have the right to be there doing
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whatever i want no matter who else is
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whatever i want no matter who else is
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using it prior for what purpose it was a
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using it prior for what purpose it was a
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baseball field and i want to walk across
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baseball field and i want to walk across
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it
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it
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and sit in the middle of it and have a
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and sit in the middle of it and have a
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picnic while people are playing games
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picnic while people are playing games
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who's there to stop me this is here for
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who's there to stop me this is here for
everyone
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everyone
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everyone
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and that's ridiculous it's not it's it's
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and that's ridiculous it's not it's it's
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there for a particular purpose
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there for a particular purpose
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these peop there are rules for how it's
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these peop there are rules for how it's
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used it's for a baseball game and if i
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used it's for a baseball game and if i
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want to have a picnic in center field
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want to have a picnic in center field
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while they're playing
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while they're playing
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i'm trespassing on their game and i
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i'm trespassing on their game and i
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think likewise uh
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think likewise uh
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if people are doing what we're seeing
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if people are doing what we're seeing
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under the overpasses it's
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under the overpasses it's
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it's a trespass and it ought to be
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it's a trespass and it ought to be
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treated as such in the law
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treated as such in the law
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whatever provisions there ought to be
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whatever provisions there ought to be
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two uh help people who need help
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two uh help people who need help
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and there are two questions there right
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and there are two questions there right
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which is who should do the helping
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which is who should do the helping
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uh whose responsibility is it who just
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uh whose responsibility is it who just
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wants to volunteer to do it
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wants to volunteer to do it
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and two whoever does the helping on
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and two whoever does the helping on
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whatever terms
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whatever terms
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what would work what would help and i
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what would work what would help and i
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think what the the talk that we had
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think what the the talk that we had
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gave us some insight into is what kind
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gave us some insight into is what kind
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of policies would be helpful
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of policies would be helpful
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uh drug prevention policies shelters
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uh drug prevention policies shelters
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that which shelters
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that which shelters
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include um uh you know
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include um uh you know
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access to drug treatment programs access
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access to drug treatment programs access
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to mental health programs
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to mental health programs
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i don't know if that's the right answer
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i don't know if that's the right answer
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then so how how do you how do you help
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then so how how do you how do you help
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people who who who don't have enough
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people who who who don't have enough
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money
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money
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for a more permanent shelter
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for a more permanent shelter
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and there are two questions there right
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and there are two questions there right
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which is who should do the helping uh
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which is who should do the helping uh
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whose responsibility is it who just
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whose responsibility is it who just
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wants to volunteer to do it
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wants to volunteer to do it
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and two whoever does the helping on
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and two whoever does the helping on
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whatever terms
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whatever terms
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what would work what would help and i
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what would work what would help and i
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think what the the talk that we had
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think what the the talk that we had
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gave us some insight into is what kind
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gave us some insight into is what kind
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of policies would be helpful
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of policies would be helpful
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drug prevention policies shelters that
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drug prevention policies shelters that
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which shelters
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which shelters
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include you know
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include you know
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access to drug treatment programs access
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access to drug treatment programs access
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to mental health programs
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to mental health programs
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i don't know if that's the right answer
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i don't know if that's the right answer
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but it seems like a puzzle
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but it seems like a puzzle
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and i think that the the just talk about
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and i think that the the just talk about
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who helps right i think that there is a
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who helps right i think that there is a
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i mean i think i would agree that i
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i mean i think i would agree that i
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would prefer to live in a society i
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would prefer to live in a society i
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think again greg and i maybe prefer to
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think again greg and i maybe prefer to
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live in society where we may we keep
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live in society where we may we keep
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government to a minimum and we let
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government to a minimum and we let
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provisions of things like that to be
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provisions of things like that to be
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done
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done
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by by by by charitable organizations by
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by by by by charitable organizations by
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private actors deciding to help
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private actors deciding to help
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uh but that's not the world we live in
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uh but that's not the world we live in
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and we live in a world where governments
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and we live in a world where governments
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are
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are
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ubiquitous and too powerful and almighty
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ubiquitous and too powerful and almighty
everywhere
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everywhere
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everywhere
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and here they have a responsibility our
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and here they have a responsibility our
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people
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people
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invest and sort of decided that the
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invest and sort of decided that the
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government of city of austin has a
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government of city of austin has a
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responsibility to deal with this problem
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responsibility to deal with this problem
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but what's interesting with something
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but what's interesting with something
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that we learned from the talk as well
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that we learned from the talk as well
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was that
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was that
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the government crowds out the ability of
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the government crowds out the ability of
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others to help
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others to help
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privately so he mentioned a group a
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privately so he mentioned a group a
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private group that wanted to
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private group that wanted to
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help people by providing them with some
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help people by providing them with some
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incentives to achieve certain steps and
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incentives to achieve certain steps and
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then
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then
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get a house and so on right but that
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get a house and so on right but that
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group was if the government was involved
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group was if the government was involved
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with them in any shape or form
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with them in any shape or form
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that group could not do the way they
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that group could not do the way they
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were thinking about doing because the
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were thinking about doing because the
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government said no it's housing first
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government said no it's housing first
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with no conditions can put no conditions
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with no conditions can put no conditions
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on
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on
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on on on people in any kind in any
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on on on people in any kind in any
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capacity so
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capacity so
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governments stop the basically the sort
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governments stop the basically the sort
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of like experimentation that might be
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of like experimentation that might be
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needed
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needed
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for us to really learn what works what
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for us to really learn what works what
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doesn't work in a situation like that
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doesn't work in a situation like that
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beyond that to me it's it's it's there's
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beyond that to me it's it's it's there's
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a there's a cynical view of of what
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a there's a cynical view of of what
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happens here which is like
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happens here which is like
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what were they trying to do when they
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what were they trying to do when they
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left the ban what was the goal there
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left the ban what was the goal there
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it's not like lack of money in the city
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it's not like lack of money in the city
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the city of the boston budget has been
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the city of the boston budget has been
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growing at a
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growing at a
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incredible cliff because of the pro the
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incredible cliff because of the pro the
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the sort of increasing property values
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the sort of increasing property values
here
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here
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here
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so what's not a lack of money is not a
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so what's not a lack of money is not a
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lack of it's lack of ideas
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lack of it's lack of ideas
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it's lack of ideas of what to do so they
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it's lack of ideas of what to do so they
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sort of put their hands in the air
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sort of put their hands in the air
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two years ago and said ah you know let's
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two years ago and said ah you know let's
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make this problem more visible or
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make this problem more visible or
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something let's uh
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something let's uh
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let's share the pain here let's take
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let's share the pain here let's take
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them out of the wilderness we're not
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them out of the wilderness we're not
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realizing some basic laws of economics
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realizing some basic laws of economics
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which is like you know incentives matter
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which is like you know incentives matter
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incentives matter everywhere in every
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incentives matter everywhere in every
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single interaction of human beings and
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single interaction of human beings and
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now you have a situation where if you
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now you have a situation where if you
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are living homeless in san antonio
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are living homeless in san antonio
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houston or dallas you're like well i
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houston or dallas you're like well i
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don't can i cannot camp in the street
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don't can i cannot camp in the street
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hearing camping seems again my review
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hearing camping seems again my review
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preferences is something that the
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preferences is something that the
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homeless
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homeless
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like to do where do you go so the fact
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like to do where do you go so the fact
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that our population went up
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that our population went up
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by two or more in in the span of those
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by two or more in in the span of those
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two years
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two years
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uh it's not surprising at all right we
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uh it's not surprising at all right we
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made the problem worse
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made the problem worse
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without having any plan to really
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without having any plan to really
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actually deal
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actually deal
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with with with that population that's
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with with with that population that's
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vulnerable so we hurt them
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vulnerable so we hurt them
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we hurt them and the final thing that i
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we hurt them and the final thing that i
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think is absolutely cynical here
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think is absolutely cynical here
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is the fact that as greg pointed out we
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is the fact that as greg pointed out we
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constrain what kind of public areas they
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constrain what kind of public areas they
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can
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can
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camp on and constrain in in horrible
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camp on and constrain in in horrible
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ways
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ways
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like we say yes you can go camp under
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like we say yes you can go camp under
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the overpass
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the overpass
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but not in the park i mean
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but not in the park i mean
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we all probably camp in our lives at a
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we all probably camp in our lives at a
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park at some point in life right and
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park at some point in life right and
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it's a much more pleasant thing than
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it's a much more pleasant thing than
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staying under the highway it's probably
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staying under the highway it's probably
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like for the health of those people
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like for the health of those people
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significantly better if they were able
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significantly better if they were able
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to camp at zucker park or at the ut
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to camp at zucker park or at the ut
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grounds for that matter why not the
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grounds for that matter why not the
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university should you know provide some
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university should you know provide some
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public space there if that's what we
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public space there if that's what we
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want as a society right but no we
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want as a society right but no we
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decided to put them in the worst parts
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decided to put them in the worst parts
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of town
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of town
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which is like i think a very i mean it's
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which is like i think a very i mean it's
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inhumane in my in in my view you're
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inhumane in my in in my view you're
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really really
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really really
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creating a situation that really hurts
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creating a situation that really hurts
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everybody
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everybody
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so it it's interesting looking at the
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so it it's interesting looking at the
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exterior not interesting that's the
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exterior not interesting that's the
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wrong word
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wrong word
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i i have statistics on the extent of
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i i have statistics on the extent of
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the unsheltered population in austin so
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the unsheltered population in austin so
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in 2020 there were 2 500
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in 2020 there were 2 500
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unsheltered people and that's up from
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unsheltered people and that's up from
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about 2 100
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about 2 100
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in 2010 so this surprised me i would
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in 2010 so this surprised me i would
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have thought that the numbers would have
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have thought that the numbers would have
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gone up
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gone up
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much more now i don't i don't remember
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much more now i don't i don't remember
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exactly when
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exactly when
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this at what point in 2020 this was
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this at what point in 2020 this was
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measured because i would imagine
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measured because i would imagine
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you know measured in january 2020 you
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you know measured in january 2020 you
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could have a very different
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could have a very different
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uh result from say you know december
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uh result from say you know december
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2020
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2020
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but uh yeah i was i was surprised that i
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but uh yeah i was i was surprised that i
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wouldn't compare steve i
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wouldn't compare steve i
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i just would point out that i wouldn't
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i just would point out that i wouldn't
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compare to 2010 as a benchmark because
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compare to 2010 as a benchmark because
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that's like right after the financial
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that's like right after the financial
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crisis right so you might have actually
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crisis right so you might have actually
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a time point in time where
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a time point in time where
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homelessness was probably worse around
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homelessness was probably worse around
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the country
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the country
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as a result of the of the the the big
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as a result of the of the the the big
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recession that we faced during that time
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recession that we faced during that time
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so
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so
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i think the numbers that i see that's
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i think the numbers that i see that's
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like 30 to 50 percent increase are from
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like 30 to 50 percent increase are from
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like 2017 to 2020.
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like 2017 to 2020.
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so i think there was like but i don't
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so i think there was like but i don't
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know yeah i'll i'll
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know yeah i'll i'll
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i'll put i'll put the numbers in uh in
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i'll put i'll put the numbers in uh in
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in the in the notes as well uh what what
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in the in the notes as well uh what what
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what's interesting
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what's interesting
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so in what i'm talking about 2500 these
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so in what i'm talking about 2500 these
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these are numbers from the
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these are numbers from the
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federal government there's an
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federal government there's an
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intergovernmental council on
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intergovernmental council on
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uh homelessness which takes i think it's
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uh homelessness which takes i think it's
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19 government
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19 government
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agencies and the 2500 number is people
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agencies and the 2500 number is people
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who are
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who are
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you know completely unsheltered or
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you know completely unsheltered or
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in you know or in homeless shelters this
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in you know or in homeless shelters this
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doesn't it doesn't include anyone who's
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doesn't it doesn't include anyone who's
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at risk and this is another population
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at risk and this is another population
because
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because
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because
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i think when we're when we're talking
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i think when we're when we're talking
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about vulnerable populations we want to
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about vulnerable populations we want to
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talk about
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talk about
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you know the most vulnerable the people
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you know the most vulnerable the people
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on the streets but also the people at
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on the streets but also the people at
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risk
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risk
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because helping the people at risk is
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because helping the people at risk is
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also really important because if you can
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also really important because if you can
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make it so that
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make it so that
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they don't end up they they don't go on
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they don't end up they they don't go on
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the streets that's
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the streets that's
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better and this population has
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better and this population has
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it's hard to get a handle on it but um
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it's hard to get a handle on it but um
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one way to do it is to look
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one way to do it is to look
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at the number of homeless students
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at the number of homeless students
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because the department of education
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because the department of education
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calculates homelessness differently from
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calculates homelessness differently from
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the
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the
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from housing and urban development so to
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from housing and urban development so to
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be homeless
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be homeless
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for the department of education
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for the department of education
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you can be essentially couch surfing and
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you can be essentially couch surfing and
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so they don't have numbers
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so they don't have numbers
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directly for austin and travis county
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directly for austin and travis county
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but in
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but in
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texas in 2015 there were 113 000
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texas in 2015 there were 113 000
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homeless students in 2019 the latest
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homeless students in 2019 the latest
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year i could get data for
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year i could get data for
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there were 231 000 homeless students
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there were 231 000 homeless students
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and i'll note that the vast majority of
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and i'll note that the vast majority of
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these were
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these were
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are uh people who are couch surfing so
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are uh people who are couch surfing so
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these are not students
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these are not students
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that's college right that's over 18
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that's college right that's over 18
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years old right because before that
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years old right because before that
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child service is
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child service is
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coming in and there's provisions of
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coming in and there's provisions of
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housing for kids
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housing for kids
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uh the the the definition it just says
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uh the the the definition it just says
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children and youths who are
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children and youths who are
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sharing housing of other persons due to
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sharing housing of other persons due to
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loss of housing economic hardship
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loss of housing economic hardship
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or similar reason it this doesn't give
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or similar reason it this doesn't give
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an age
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an age
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so this this does i believe this does
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so this this does i believe this does
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include uh
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include uh
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school-age children now you're right
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school-age children now you're right
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that they
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that they
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that there are programs like uh they're
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that there are programs like uh they're
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wic um
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wic um
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and i'm i'm going to but that's shelter
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and i'm i'm going to but that's shelter
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these are shelter
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these are shelter
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people that are couch surfing you're
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people that are couch surfing you're
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living somewhere else okay yeah
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living somewhere else okay yeah
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some of these so some some uh
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some of these so some some uh
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unfortunately are
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unfortunately are
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uh on the streets but the the vast major
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uh on the streets but the the vast major
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you know there's
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you know there's
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there's a huge gap between the 2500 on
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there's a huge gap between the 2500 on
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the streets and
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the streets and
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the 231 thousand which includes some
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the 231 thousand which includes some
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on the streets but mostly it's people in
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on the streets but mostly it's people in
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you know in shelters
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you know in shelters
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and those who are are couch surfing so i
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and those who are are couch surfing so i
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i brought that up as a sort of a way of
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i brought that up as a sort of a way of
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estimating that the vulnerable
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estimating that the vulnerable
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population
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population
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is is quite large here
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is is quite large here
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and that you know any sort of any any so
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and that you know any sort of any any so
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i mean i was going to say solutions but
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i mean i was going to say solutions but
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you know look at our
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you know look at our
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our t-shirts suggest that solutions is
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our t-shirts suggest that solutions is
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the is the wrong
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the is the wrong
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uh wrong language but you know
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uh wrong language but you know
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any policy should also can al she also
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any policy should also can al she also
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needs to consider
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needs to consider
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the those that are those that are you
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the those that are those that are you
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know most most at risk
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know most most at risk
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so one of the the you might think that
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so one of the the you might think that
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um the public camping bans
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um the public camping bans
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wouldn't have an effect one way or the
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wouldn't have an effect one way or the
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other
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other
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on people coming into or out of the
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on people coming into or out of the
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at-risk populations
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at-risk populations
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because in so far as we would have an in
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because in so far as we would have an in
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increase of homeless people
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increase of homeless people
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in austin due to the lifting of the ban
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in austin due to the lifting of the ban
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it would be
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it would be
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uh of people who are already homeless
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uh of people who are already homeless
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deciding to be homeless here rather than
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deciding to be homeless here rather than
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than elsewhere that was the the uh how
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than elsewhere that was the the uh how
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carlos talked about it
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carlos talked about it
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um but we did have some discussion in
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um but we did have some discussion in
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the talk right
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the talk right
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about um the dynamics of what happens
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about um the dynamics of what happens
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when people are in this at-risk
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when people are in this at-risk
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category and if the option
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category and if the option
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is uh when their housing situation is
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is uh when their housing situation is
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becoming precarious
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becoming precarious
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if the option is to go into a shelter
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if the option is to go into a shelter
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versus if the option is to camp
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versus if the option is to camp
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for um for a week or something uh
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for um for a week or something uh
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what then happens the week after that to
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what then happens the week after that to
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the people and
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the people and
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so i wonder and there's some question as
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so i wonder and there's some question as
to
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to
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to
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the transition between people in austin
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the transition between people in austin
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who are at risk for homelessness and
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who are at risk for homelessness and
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then being homeless
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then being homeless
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but i don't know whether how we would
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but i don't know whether how we would
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expect this
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expect this
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these policy changes to impact how many
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these policy changes to impact how many
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people get into that at-risk category in
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people get into that at-risk category in
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the first place
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the first place
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if it does i i would be interested to
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if it does i i would be interested to
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hear what the mechanisms of effect
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hear what the mechanisms of effect
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and and i also would say oh sorry uh i
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and and i also would say oh sorry uh i
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would say that
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would say that
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that uh this vulnerable population
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that uh this vulnerable population
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steven's reference to i think speaks to
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steven's reference to i think speaks to
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the
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the
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folks that might end up homeless on from
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folks that might end up homeless on from
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an economic point of view
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an economic point of view
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uh for the most part and and again we're
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uh for the most part and and again we're
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going back to our last
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going back to our last
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discussion here the the with with bruce
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discussion here the the with with bruce
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meyer uh from chicago right
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meyer uh from chicago right
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the way we measure the effect of our
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the way we measure the effect of our
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anti-poverty programs actually my
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anti-poverty programs actually my
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my might lead to an underestimation of
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my might lead to an underestimation of
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their effectiveness and
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their effectiveness and
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it seems that some of these programs are
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it seems that some of these programs are
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way more effective than we give them
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way more effective than we give them
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credit for
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credit for
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so yeah i'm not suggesting that there's
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so yeah i'm not suggesting that there's
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no hardship or that's not uh but but
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no hardship or that's not uh but but
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like the
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like the
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moving from the real bad situation to
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moving from the real bad situation to
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potentially going the street is
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potentially going the street is
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something that
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something that
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our safety net actually does a pretty
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our safety net actually does a pretty
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good job avoiding from the economic
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good job avoiding from the economic
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point of view
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point of view
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but 75 of those folks seem to be folks
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but 75 of those folks seem to be folks
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that are coming in the streets because
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that are coming in the streets because
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of things that are not necessarily
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of things that are not necessarily
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economic
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economic
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it's drug addiction is completely
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it's drug addiction is completely
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disconnection from their families
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disconnection from their families
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and and and something to do with like
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and and and something to do with like
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mental health right
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mental health right
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and one number that the judge mentioned
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and one number that the judge mentioned
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that to me is mind-boggling
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that to me is mind-boggling
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is the fact that in 1950 there were 500
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is the fact that in 1950 there were 500
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000 people in mental institutions in the
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000 people in mental institutions in the
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us
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us
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and now they're 50 000. we didn't change
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and now they're 50 000. we didn't change
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the amount of people needing you know
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the amount of people needing you know
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extreme mental
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extreme mental
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care we decided to change how we treat
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care we decided to change how we treat
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them and
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them and
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a lot of it for a lot of good reasons i
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a lot of it for a lot of good reasons i
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think i think that there was like
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think i think that there was like
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probably a lot of bad things being done
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probably a lot of bad things being done
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in 1950s right
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in 1950s right
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but i think we didn't necessarily think
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but i think we didn't necessarily think
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that through very carefully and there
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that through very carefully and there
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are a lot of people
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are a lot of people
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in need of help um in that particular
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in need of help um in that particular
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dimension that just doesn't
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dimension that just doesn't
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doesn't gather where the vehicles are in
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doesn't gather where the vehicles are in
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place and he mentions that the situation
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place and he mentions that the situation
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in phoenix where
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in phoenix where
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once the ban was was lifted the doctors
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once the ban was was lifted the doctors
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started complaining that their patients
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started complaining that their patients
disappear
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disappear
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disappear
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because there's no more vehicle for
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because there's no more vehicle for
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their patients to actually make it to
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their patients to actually make it to
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the hospital make it to the clinic
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the hospital make it to the clinic
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get the treatment that they're trying to
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get the treatment that they're trying to
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get so it's a tenuous link anyway
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get so it's a tenuous link anyway
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uh connection between somebody in that
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uh connection between somebody in that
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tough condition in a psychiatrist right
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tough condition in a psychiatrist right
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but you know giving up on it doesn't
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but you know giving up on it doesn't
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seem to be
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seem to be
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doesn't seem to be the the the right
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doesn't seem to be the the the right
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thing either
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thing either
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i like i like the point you bring up go
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i like i like the point you bring up go
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ahead scott
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ahead scott
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uh carlos and that you're really
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uh carlos and that you're really
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separating
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separating
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different types of homelessness like
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different types of homelessness like
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there's some types of homelessness
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there's some types of homelessness
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that i think are addressed one way but
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that i think are addressed one way but
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the part that you're talking about i
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the part that you're talking about i
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think is almost intractable is how do
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think is almost intractable is how do
you
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you
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you
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how do you deal with those who have
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how do you deal with those who have
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substance abuse
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substance abuse
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or other issues that
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or other issues that
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really require in some ways taking away
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really require in some ways taking away
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choice if you want to fix that problem
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choice if you want to fix that problem
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because if you let them choose
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because if you let them choose
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nothing will change they would choose to
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nothing will change they would choose to
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live on the streets they don't want to
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live on the streets they don't want to
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live anywhere else
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live anywhere else
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it's not as if they don't have a better
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it's not as if they don't have a better
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option in their minds
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option in their minds
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we have a better option for them which
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we have a better option for them which
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is treatment but then what do you do in
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is treatment but then what do you do in
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that situation
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that situation
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when you're effectively taking away
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when you're effectively taking away
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choice and making them do something they
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choice and making them do something they
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don't want to do yeah i wonder about
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don't want to do yeah i wonder about
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that about the
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that about the
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the claim and there's definitely
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the claim and there's definitely
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something right about this distinction
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something right about this distinction
between
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between
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between
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people someone who lost their job and
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people someone who lost their job and
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they've wound up on the street and they
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they've wound up on the street and they
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can't pay the rent
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can't pay the rent
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versus someone who the change in their
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versus someone who the change in their
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lives that led them to be on the street
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lives that led them to be on the street
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had to do with
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had to do with
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um a mental illness or a drug addiction
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um a mental illness or a drug addiction
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and drug addiction is a type of mental
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and drug addiction is a type of mental
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illness start grouping
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illness start grouping
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there are there were plenty of drug
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there are there were plenty of drug
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addicts
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addicts
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who are wealthy and don't end up on the
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who are wealthy and don't end up on the
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streets for that reason they're they're
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streets for that reason they're they're
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strung out in their living rooms right
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strung out in their living rooms right
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and there
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and there
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are people with mental illness who are
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are people with mental illness who are
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from wealthier families or
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from wealthier families or
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people uh you know and don't end up on
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people uh you know and don't end up on
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the street some still do because they
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the street some still do because they
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run away but
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run away but
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um but so it's not like it's never
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um but so it's not like it's never
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wholly non-economic
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wholly non-economic
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right it's um people have it
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right it's um people have it
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is the cause of this person being in
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is the cause of this person being in
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such destitution that they can't
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such destitution that they can't
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afford or find or maintain a home um to
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afford or find or maintain a home um to
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what extent is the cause of that
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what extent is the cause of that
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poverty that they're in um uh a mental
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poverty that they're in um uh a mental
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illness and
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illness and
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if we think about taking away their
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if we think about taking away their
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choices i mean
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choices i mean
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allowing them to use a
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allowing them to use a
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property that's for another purpose um
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property that's for another purpose um
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as their home or as a substitute for a
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as their home or as a substitute for a
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home
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home
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is in effect subsidizing certain choices
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is in effect subsidizing certain choices
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that they're making
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that they're making
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so um we can call if you you
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so um we can call if you you
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forcibly put someone in a treatment
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forcibly put someone in a treatment
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setting that is taking away a choice
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setting that is taking away a choice
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but i don't see it as taking away a
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but i don't see it as taking away a
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choice to not
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choice to not
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provide a subsidy for the behavior which
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provide a subsidy for the behavior which
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i think
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i think
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um and and i go back and i go back to
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um and and i go back and i go back to
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the point i made earlier
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the point i made earlier
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i don't understand if you want to let
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i don't understand if you want to let
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people camp
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people camp
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it seems to be that we have we live in a
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it seems to be that we have we live in a
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state where space is not a problem
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state where space is not a problem
there's
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there's
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there's
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infinite space available right we can go
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infinite space available right we can go
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in
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in
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and very quickly set a plot of land
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and very quickly set a plot of land
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where okay this is going to be organized
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where okay this is going to be organized
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you're going to have like a little space
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you're going to have like a little space
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for you here here's picture tent picture
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for you here here's picture tent picture
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tent right
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tent right
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make roads make little streets and have
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make roads make little streets and have
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the public services come in and help
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the public services come in and help
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them
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them
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provide them okay what do you need you
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provide them okay what do you need you
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need training for a job let's let's try
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need training for a job let's let's try
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to connect with the programs that exist
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to connect with the programs that exist
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you need
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you need
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mental health okay let's try to connect
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mental health okay let's try to connect
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you with the things without forcing
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you with the things without forcing
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anybody to do anything
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anybody to do anything
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just like okay if you want to you know
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just like okay if you want to you know
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if we want to allow people to use
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if we want to allow people to use
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create a space that's purposeful for
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create a space that's purposeful for
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that and not just have this really
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that and not just have this really
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nearly
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nearly
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complete chaos that we created ourselves
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complete chaos that we created ourselves
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here and that'll be like
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here and that'll be like
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a lot better for everybody involved and
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a lot better for everybody involved and
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a lot more efficient the use of the
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a lot more efficient the use of the
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money
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money
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right if you think about people having
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right if you think about people having
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to drive around finding homeless folks
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to drive around finding homeless folks
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in town versus
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in town versus
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there's there's a place you go and by
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there's there's a place you go and by
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the way this model exists
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the way this model exists
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that's what san antonio does
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that's what san antonio does
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successfully it's like a huge area where
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successfully it's like a huge area where
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people can go camp they
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people can go camp they
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get the services and things you know
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get the services and things you know
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move forward uh it's just
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move forward uh it's just
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again uh uh the the incompetence of our
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again uh uh the the incompetence of our
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leaders in austin is
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leaders in austin is
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glaring here it's just like you know
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glaring here it's just like you know
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it's copying something that
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it's copying something that
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has not worked in places like seattle
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has not worked in places like seattle
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san francisco
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san francisco
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los angeles it's like like you know uh
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los angeles it's like like you know uh
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uh um
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uh um
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it's hard to explain it's hard to
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it's hard to explain it's hard to
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understand in general i think all this
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understand in general i think all this
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much of the state-owned land should be
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much of the state-owned land should be
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thought of as unowned rather than
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thought of as unowned rather than
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than state-owned and if it was unowned
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than state-owned and if it was unowned
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people would have every right to
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people would have every right to
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squat on it and develop their own and
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squat on it and develop their own and
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they would acquire property in it by so
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they would acquire property in it by so
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doing over time
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doing over time
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but insofar as we have this land then
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but insofar as we have this land then
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we're treating it as state-owned
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we're treating it as state-owned
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and it's not being put to some other
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and it's not being put to some other
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specific purpose like a highway
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specific purpose like a highway
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is or a courthouse or a public park
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is or a courthouse or a public park
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um in device it's not being put to some
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um in device it's not being put to some
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specific other purpose i think a
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specific other purpose i think a
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great purpose to put it to would be to
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great purpose to put it to would be to
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allow people who don't have homes to
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allow people who don't have homes to
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set up set up on it and to allow people
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set up set up on it and to allow people
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who want to facilitate
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who want to facilitate
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uh different kinds of intervention
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uh different kinds of intervention
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programs uh facilitation programs
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programs uh facilitation programs
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um to do it and so far we're gonna have
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um to do it and so far we're gonna have
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public services for
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public services for
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this this seems like the place to do
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this this seems like the place to do
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them rather than under the overpasses
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them rather than under the overpasses
which
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which
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which
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is dangerous i mean i don't know if
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is dangerous i mean i don't know if
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there are cases of people
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there are cases of people
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having gotten run over uh but i mean
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having gotten run over uh but i mean
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you'd expect eventually there will be it
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you'd expect eventually there will be it
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can't be very healthy to be breathing in
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can't be very healthy to be breathing in
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these fumes and
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these fumes and
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um it seems like the
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um it seems like the
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there's a question as to why why
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there's a question as to why why
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people are coming here and what the
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people are coming here and what the
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incentive is um i mean they must prefer
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incentive is um i mean they must prefer
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it to other places they might be
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it to other places they might be
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um well i think it's i think it's true
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um well i think it's i think it's true
that
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that
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that
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i lived in dc for 10 years 12 years and
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i lived in dc for 10 years 12 years and
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so i got to know a lot of homeless
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so i got to know a lot of homeless
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people many of them for several years
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people many of them for several years
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um and one thing that is true is
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um and one thing that is true is
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homeless people
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homeless people
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like to be downtown because as their
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like to be downtown because as their
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source of revenue
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source of revenue
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right people giving the money and
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right people giving the money and
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panhandling and they don't want to live
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panhandling and they don't want to live
you
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you
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you
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you give them a nice place to live 10
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you give them a nice place to live 10
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miles from downtown they're not going to
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miles from downtown they're not going to
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want to be there because what are they
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want to be there because what are they
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going to do all day
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going to do all day
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get them bring them in a van just
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get them bring them in a van just
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so you can you can create transportation
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so you can you can create transportation
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mechanisms for them every day but
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mechanisms for them every day but
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but they want to be downtown that's why
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but they want to be downtown that's why
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they're in the overpass and the
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they're in the overpass and the
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underpass is because
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underpass is because
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you know it's a half mile to a good
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you know it's a half mile to a good
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place to go sit in a corner and and ask
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place to go sit in a corner and and ask
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for money
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for money
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no that's true i mean that that's the
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no that's true i mean that that's the
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the oh so here's
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the oh so here's
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again now now let me put my my
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again now now let me put my my
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theoretical economist had here for a
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theoretical economist had here for a
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second
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second
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there's a finite amount of places where
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there's a finite amount of places where
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they can camp
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they can camp
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therefore there's scarcity therefore
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therefore there's scarcity therefore
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there's no location process here that
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there's no location process here that
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takes place so
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takes place so
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if you are in austin steve you're not in
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if you are in austin steve you're not in
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austin but there's definitely a very
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austin but there's definitely a very
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different
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different
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uh quality of places to there's like by
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uh quality of places to there's like by
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the river
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the river
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right downtown in front of city hall
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right downtown in front of city hall
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there's a place where a lot of camp but
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there's a place where a lot of camp but
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there's an encampment there
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there's an encampment there
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right that is a much preferred place to
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right that is a much preferred place to
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be than for example by the heb not far
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be than for example by the heb not far
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from my house under the overpass
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from my house under the overpass
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i wonder what is the mechanism that
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i wonder what is the mechanism that
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allocates those resources
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allocates those resources
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it's not a price system we know that are
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it's not a price system we know that are
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there people taking
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there people taking
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advantage of these folks and like
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advantage of these folks and like
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enforcing some rules of like pseudo
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enforcing some rules of like pseudo
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property
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property
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is that just the strongest one wins you
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is that just the strongest one wins you
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know it
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know it
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those are the three options right is
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those are the three options right is
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that there's force that's making the
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that there's force that's making the
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the arrangement is maybe there's an uh
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the arrangement is maybe there's an uh
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an
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an
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acceptance of the first first come first
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acceptance of the first first come first
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serve which i doubted i doubted that
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serve which i doubted i doubted that
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that's not
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that's not
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true for anything you know scarce and
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true for anything you know scarce and
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human behavior
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human behavior
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i really wonder what's the the the
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i really wonder what's the the the
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mechanism in which they people choose to
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mechanism in which they people choose to
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be where they are
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be where they are
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or they how they end up in the place
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or they how they end up in the place
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that they are
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that they are
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also i wonder and this is will perhaps
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also i wonder and this is will perhaps
reveal
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reveal
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reveal
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my and all of our ignorance of this we i
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my and all of our ignorance of this we i
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you know we haven't really looked into
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you know we haven't really looked into
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these populations much and perhaps we
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these populations much and perhaps we
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should but i wonder what is preventing
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should but i wonder what is preventing
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someone who's you know relatively
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someone who's you know relatively
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wealthy
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from getting a bunch of rvs or fancy
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from getting a bunch of rvs or fancy
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luxury kind of camping equipment with
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luxury kind of camping equipment with
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locks on it
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locks on it
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and um setting it up in what's really
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and um setting it up in what's really
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nice real estate in a couple of these
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nice real estate in a couple of these
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places
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places
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and then um you know that's his villa or
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and then um you know that's his villa or
something
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something
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something
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something must be because that's not
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something must be because that's not
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happening um
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happening um
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and um maybe it's just the kind of
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and um maybe it's just the kind of
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social opium you'd
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social opium you'd
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face for taking advantage of a policy
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face for taking advantage of a policy
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like this in this way would be high but
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like this in this way would be high but
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um i wonder don't allow it to camp with
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um i wonder don't allow it to camp with
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an rv
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an rv
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that that is part of the rule you're not
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that that is part of the rule you're not
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allowed to do it with the
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allowed to do it with the
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with an rv um and somebody
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with an rv um and somebody
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who's wealthy also has something to lose
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who's wealthy also has something to lose
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and their mechanisms for penalizing them
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and their mechanisms for penalizing them
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that you don't have with somebody who
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that you don't have with somebody who
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has nothing to lose and i think that's
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has nothing to lose and i think that's
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a big difference but
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a big difference but
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then it makes clear what this policy is
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then it makes clear what this policy is
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it's not like it's public land so we can
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it's not like it's public land so we can
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do what we want with it
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do what we want with it
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it's so people are free to camp on it
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it's so people are free to camp on it
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because if you're free to camp you're
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because if you're free to camp you're
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free to camp with normal equipment of
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free to camp with normal equipment of
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camping
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camping
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it's that it's weird we've decided to
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it's that it's weird we've decided to
use
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use
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use
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these corners overpasses etc in the city
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these corners overpasses etc in the city
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as um ad hoc
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as um ad hoc
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shelters and then the question that's a
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shelters and then the question that's a
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question of like
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question of like
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it's why are we sheltering homeless this
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it's why are we sheltering homeless this
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way rather than any other way it's not
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way rather than any other way it's not
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an issue of it's a public land we can
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an issue of it's a public land we can
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use it it's an issue of
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use it it's an issue of
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we've elected to have these ragtag
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we've elected to have these ragtag
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homeless shelters
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homeless shelters
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this is this is both your point this is
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this is this is both your point this is
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both your point carlos's point let's
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both your point carlos's point let's
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make an active decision on how to treat
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make an active decision on how to treat
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this problem let's not do it passively
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this problem let's not do it passively
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by
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by
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just saying okay you can camp now and
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just saying okay you can camp now and
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letting the homeless population decide
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letting the homeless population decide
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how to do it we should be more active
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how to do it we should be more active
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participants and making sure it's safer
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participants and making sure it's safer
it's
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it's
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it's
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uh their welfare is more accounted for
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uh their welfare is more accounted for
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uh and everybody's welfare for that
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uh and everybody's welfare for that
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matter people who live downtown too
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matter people who live downtown too
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uh not just the homeless people the
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uh not just the homeless people the
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people that live there permanently in
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people that live there permanently in
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condos and high rises and hotels as well
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condos and high rises and hotels as well
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as people that are living on the streets
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as people that are living on the streets
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but i don't think it's passive i think
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but i don't think it's passive i think
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it's invasive
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it's invasive
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i mean that is if we actively did
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i mean that is if we actively did
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something removing this law
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something removing this law
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the people who removed it knew what kind
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the people who removed it knew what kind
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of thing would happen if it was removed
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of thing would happen if it was removed
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so there was an activity taken and i
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so there was an activity taken and i
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think it was taken under a kind of
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think it was taken under a kind of
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pretense of it being a different kind of
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pretense of it being a different kind of
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thing than it is that's my guess
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thing than it is that's my guess
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but this is mccarthy because you're
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but this is mccarthy because you're
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saying this is cynical yeah yeah i mean
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saying this is cynical yeah yeah i mean
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potentially and on i was going to say
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potentially and on i was going to say
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i was going to say we should we should
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i was going to say we should we should
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move on to our uh final topic about
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move on to our uh final topic about
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measurement carlos you you want to talk
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measurement carlos you you want to talk
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a little bit about
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a little bit about
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why measurement is so important yeah
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why measurement is so important yeah
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yeah i will i will let me just bring
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yeah i will i will let me just bring
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bring one more thing let me just bring
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bring one more thing let me just bring
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one more thing up that that is one of
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one more thing up that that is one of
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the things that frustrates me the most
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the things that frustrates me the most
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about
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about
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bad choice policies is who pays for it
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bad choice policies is who pays for it
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right
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right
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um we have a you're not gonna see me
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um we have a you're not gonna see me
complaining
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complaining
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complaining
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about situations where we decide to tax
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about situations where we decide to tax
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and transfer
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and transfer
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i might disagree i might not think
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i might disagree i might not think
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that's the right thing to do i have a
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that's the right thing to do i have a
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moral
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moral
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problem with taxation greg probably
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problem with taxation greg probably
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would agree with me i think it's it's
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would agree with me i think it's it's
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you know there's a
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you know there's a
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too much is you start crossing into a
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too much is you start crossing into a
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line that is not acceptable
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line that is not acceptable
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however from an economic efficiency
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however from an economic efficiency
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point of view taxing and transfer is
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point of view taxing and transfer is
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something that
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something that
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makes sense in a lot of different ways
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makes sense in a lot of different ways
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but i don't understand because taxi you
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but i don't understand because taxi you
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can then
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can then
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do it in a broad so all of us are
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do it in a broad so all of us are
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participating all of us are putting the
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participating all of us are putting the
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money in
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money in
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and therefore the money is being
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and therefore the money is being
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transferred to whomever needed what i
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transferred to whomever needed what i
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have a huge problem with
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have a huge problem with
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and they can connect to the things we're
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and they can connect to the things we're
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talking about here things like for
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talking about here things like for
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example raising the minimum wage
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example raising the minimum wage
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you're trying to help someone by making
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you're trying to help someone by making
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a subset of people pay for it
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a subset of people pay for it
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the guy who owns a mcdonald's the guy
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the guy who owns a mcdonald's the guy
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who hires people in the
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who hires people in the
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in the in the in his landscaping
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in the in the in his landscaping
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business so on and so forth
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business so on and so forth
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or in the homeless situation here you're
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or in the homeless situation here you're
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forced basically you're creating you're
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forced basically you're creating you're
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making people pay through an externality
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making people pay through an externality
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you're making people that have a store
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you're making people that have a store
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next to the highway
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next to the highway
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pay and not the person that you know has
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pay and not the person that you know has
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a store next to the nice park where
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a store next to the nice park where
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they're not allowed to do
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they're not allowed to do
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and that's that's that's just incredibly
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and that's that's that's just incredibly
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unfair it should be something that we as
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unfair it should be something that we as
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a city decide to pay for
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a city decide to pay for
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raise our taxes and transfer people you
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raise our taxes and transfer people you
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know give them a check if that's who you
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know give them a check if that's who you
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think is a way to to deal with this
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think is a way to to deal with this
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problem or build them a house or
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problem or build them a house or
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whatever it is right
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whatever it is right
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but don't make this be an unfair
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but don't make this be an unfair
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imposition of a cost
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imposition of a cost
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on on people that have nothing to do
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on on people that have nothing to do
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with the problem right
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with the problem right
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and that's true in a lot of idea bad
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and that's true in a lot of idea bad
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ideas that comes from both right and
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ideas that comes from both right and
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left is that
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left is that
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you're trying to create some gross
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you're trying to create some gross
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subsidies or or basically making people
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subsidies or or basically making people
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that
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that
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an uneven way to pay for certain
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an uneven way to pay for certain
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political
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political
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outcome or policy desire that you have
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outcome or policy desire that you have
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but anyways that's just a rant
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but anyways that's just a rant
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uh that applies to lots of problems
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uh that applies to lots of problems
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but how how do you how do you measure
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but how how do you how do you measure
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those problems carlos
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those problems carlos
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exactly exactly so uh we had our last
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exactly exactly so uh we had our last
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guest
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guest
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of our discussion here with somebody
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of our discussion here with somebody
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that i that i meant to have visit us for
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that i that i meant to have visit us for
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a long time and somebody that i i really
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a long time and somebody that i i really
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am i'm fan of his work um with bruce
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am i'm fan of his work um with bruce
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meyer and
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meyer and
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it was very uh somebody has been working
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it was very uh somebody has been working
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his entire career in measuring
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his entire career in measuring
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poverty measuring essentially how do we
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poverty measuring essentially how do we
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think about measurement of things like
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think about measurement of things like
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income and consumption and which are
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income and consumption and which are
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important things to inform our decisions
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important things to inform our decisions
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when it comes to
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when it comes to
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to the policy space right one of my
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to the policy space right one of my
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favorite things that he wrote and i
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favorite things that he wrote and i
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maybe i mentioned in the conversation i
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maybe i mentioned in the conversation i
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don't know um
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don't know um
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is is how do we think about
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is is how do we think about
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income over time so for example there's
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income over time so for example there's
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a
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a
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myth out there i call it a myth that
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myth out there i call it a myth that
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wages have stagnated for the last 40
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wages have stagnated for the last 40
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years
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years
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that somehow the middle class didn't get
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that somehow the middle class didn't get
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a raise
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a raise
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and if you look at the the medium hourly
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and if you look at the the medium hourly
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wage
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wage
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in the country 1970 and compare that to
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in the country 1970 and compare that to
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of 2020
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of 2020
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okay well there's a 483 percent increase
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okay well there's a 483 percent increase
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in nominal terms
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in nominal terms
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meaning that you know a dollar became
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meaning that you know a dollar became
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one whatever five times that right so so
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one whatever five times that right so so
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so that's what
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so that's what
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what what it is what it is uh uh in
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what what it is what it is uh uh in
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nominal terms however of course the
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nominal terms however of course the
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dollar 1970 buys more than a dollar in
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dollar 1970 buys more than a dollar in
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2020 therefore we need to deflate that
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2020 therefore we need to deflate that
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right
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right
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so how do you deflate how do you change
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so how do you deflate how do you change
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you know
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you know
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put things into apple to apple's
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put things into apple to apple's
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comparisons and then there's like all
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comparisons and then there's like all
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this discussion oh should use a cpi cpi
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this discussion oh should use a cpi cpi
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w
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cpi this there there's lots of different
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cpi this there there's lots of different
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ways to do it uh what bruce has done is
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ways to do it uh what bruce has done is
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to try to really think about what is the
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to try to really think about what is the
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optimal way to do it to compare really
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optimal way to do it to compare really
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what people have access to as a result
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what people have access to as a result
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of their
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of their
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of their of their work right and when
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of their of their work right and when
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you do that well the middle class has
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you do that well the middle class has
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had a 70
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had a 70
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increase in wage over the same span of
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increase in wage over the same span of
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time so maybe you can say that's not
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time so maybe you can say that's not
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enough
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enough
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that's a discussion we can have however
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that's a discussion we can have however
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just by that looking at the wrong
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just by that looking at the wrong
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measurement you can create rhetorics
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measurement you can create rhetorics
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you can create stories you can create
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you can create stories you can create
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narratives they're just not right
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narratives they're just not right
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they're just
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they're just
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might imply the need for some policies
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might imply the need for some policies
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some decisions they're just not there
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some decisions they're just not there
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right so in his talk that he came over
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right so in his talk that he came over
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here to talk about
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here to talk about
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he was matched talking about how do we
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he was matched talking about how do we
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measure poverty what's the you know
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measure poverty what's the you know
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there's this thing called the poverty
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there's this thing called the poverty
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line in the u.s
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line in the u.s
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what does that determine how do we
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what does that determine how do we
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measure that that's something that
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measure that that's something that
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started after
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started after
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uh lyndon johnson wore a poverty
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uh lyndon johnson wore a poverty
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declaration in the 60s
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declaration in the 60s
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and something we've been measuring this
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and something we've been measuring this
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is pretty much the same weight since
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is pretty much the same weight since
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then
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then
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i can't remember exactly the rules
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i can't remember exactly the rules
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define that but that's something that
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define that but that's something that
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has informed policy through the years
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has informed policy through the years
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because we care about the number of
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because we care about the number of
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people that fall
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people that fall
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under the poverty line the number that
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under the poverty line the number that
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he quoted was that
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he quoted was that
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in 2020 right before the pandemic we had
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in 2020 right before the pandemic we had
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the lowest level of people
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the lowest level of people
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ever below the poverty line in our
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ever below the poverty line in our
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country and that was something like 12
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country and that was something like 12
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percent of people
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percent of people
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but then if you look more carefully what
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but then if you look more carefully what
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do you mean by poverty what
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do you mean by poverty what
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is poverty what it is are we adjusting
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is poverty what it is are we adjusting
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for the in-kind transfers are we
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for the in-kind transfers are we
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adjusting for all the government
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adjusting for all the government
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programs are we adjusting for the
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programs are we adjusting for the
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consumption level that people have
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consumption level that people have
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and the answer is no in those typical
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and the answer is no in those typical
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measures and what bruce shows is that a
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measures and what bruce shows is that a
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more effective measurement of policy
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more effective measurement of policy
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or poverty once you actually take into
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or poverty once you actually take into
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account that transfer people are getting
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account that transfer people are getting
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the in-kind
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the in-kind
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access and consumption measures you end
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access and consumption measures you end
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up looking at there's something like
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up looking at there's something like
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five percent of people six percent of
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five percent of people six percent of
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people think was the number under the
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people think was the number under the
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poverty line
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poverty line
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so it's a gap of 20 million people here
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so it's a gap of 20 million people here
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between you know
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between you know
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what the effective number is and even if
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what the effective number is and even if
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you take out consumption
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you take out consumption
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one of the things that he showed up it's
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one of the things that he showed up it's
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just not you know just the merging of
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just not you know just the merging of
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administrative data data that tells us
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administrative data data that tells us
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who we're sending checks to
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who we're sending checks to
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the government knows what they're
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the government knows what they're
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sending tracks to right versus surveys
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sending tracks to right versus surveys
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that they calculate oh what do you get
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that they calculate oh what do you get
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in terms of income
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in terms of income
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so on and so forth so it is you know it
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so on and so forth so it is you know it
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matters right it matters because
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matters right it matters because
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our choices our focus our decisions
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our choices our focus our decisions
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might be very different
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might be very different
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if we think that there is you know
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if we think that there is you know
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something like twelve percent of people
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something like twelve percent of people
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in need in the country versus six
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in need in the country versus six
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percent of people in need
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percent of people in need
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uh questioning the you know the validity
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uh questioning the you know the validity
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or the effectiveness of our capitalist
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or the effectiveness of our capitalist
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system
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because there's too many people in
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because there's too many people in
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poverty like well maybe it's not so bad
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poverty like well maybe it's not so bad
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if there's only five percent people in
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if there's only five percent people in
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poverty
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poverty
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so i think that that's uh uh again um
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so i think that that's uh uh again um
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telling stories without the right
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telling stories without the right
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numbers is is very dangerous and i think
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numbers is is very dangerous and i think
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creates
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creates
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false narratives creates false sense of
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false narratives creates false sense of
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problems in situations where
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problems in situations where
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you know your eyes don't lie to you look
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you know your eyes don't lie to you look
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around look outside
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around look outside
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we're now living in a terrible time
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we're now living in a terrible time
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we're living in a very prosperous time
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we're living in a very prosperous time
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and if you compare that
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and if you compare that
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from you know through the years and
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from you know through the years and
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again careful calculated numbers show us
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again careful calculated numbers show us
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i think i think that's a good i think
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i think i think that's a good i think
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that's a good place
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that's a good place
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to to to end
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to to to end
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i don't want to have the last word
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i don't want to have the last word
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it's like well this is you know this is
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it's like well this is you know this is
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one of the purposes of
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one of the purposes of
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the center you know good good
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the center you know good good
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measurement is
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measurement is
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really important in one of the things
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really important in one of the things
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that these
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that these
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talks reveal that a lot of the work that
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talks reveal that a lot of the work that
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we're seeing uh reveal
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we're seeing uh reveal
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whether in the end you agree with the
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whether in the end you agree with the
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conclusions of the speakers or not
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conclusions of the speakers or not
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is um yeah bad numbers or wrong numbers
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is um yeah bad numbers or wrong numbers
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can lead to
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real confusions really bad decisions but
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real confusions really bad decisions but
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aren't ginned up or fake numbers all the
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aren't ginned up or fake numbers all the
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time it's hard to figure out what the
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time it's hard to figure out what the
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right numbers are these things are hard
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right numbers are these things are hard
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to measure
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to measure
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and people of good faith with a lot of
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and people of good faith with a lot of
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work and expertise spend a lot of time
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work and expertise spend a lot of time
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trying to figure out how to measure
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trying to figure out how to measure
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these phenomena
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these phenomena
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just like every other phenomenon that we
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just like every other phenomenon that we
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try to measure it's not easy
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try to measure it's not easy
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and uh it's a real skill set that needs
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and uh it's a real skill set that needs
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to be developed and
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to be developed and
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there are disagreements among experts
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there are disagreements among experts
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about how to do it well
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about how to do it well
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and if we all approach it with honesty
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and if we all approach it with honesty
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and integrity and recognize the kind of
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and integrity and recognize the kind of
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work involved
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work involved
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um hopefully we'll as a society get
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um hopefully we'll as a society get
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better
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at this kind of measuring and these
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at this kind of measuring and these
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debates will become more informed rather
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debates will become more informed rather
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than less
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than less
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over time and i think at a time of
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over time and i think at a time of
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polarization
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it's important to emphasize the fact
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it's important to emphasize the fact
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that i'm pretty sure that those four
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that i'm pretty sure that those four
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individuals that we mentioned that work
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individuals that we mentioned that work
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here today
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here today
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you know these are not q anon folks
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you know these are not q anon folks
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right
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right
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they are folks that are probably the
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they are folks that are probably the
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centrist if not left leaning
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centrist if not left leaning
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in their political preferences and yet
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in their political preferences and yet
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they're very careful they're honest
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they're very careful they're honest
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they're trying to do things
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they're trying to do things
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to the best of their ability given their
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to the best of their ability given their
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disciplines and
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disciplines and
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you know get to conclusions that are are
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you know get to conclusions that are are
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are well now get to congress provide us
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are well now get to congress provide us
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with information
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with information
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that helps us uh uh address and answer
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that helps us uh uh address and answer
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questions in a much more effective way
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questions in a much more effective way
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yeah i agree getting to a set of facts
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yeah i agree getting to a set of facts
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that we can all agree to
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that we can all agree to
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and then argue about what to do is needs
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and then argue about what to do is needs
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to be where we
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to be where we
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should should be starting from and i
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should should be starting from and i
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think to your point carlos it's great
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think to your point carlos it's great
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uh that we have people that have
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uh that we have people that have
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dedicated their careers and lives to
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dedicated their careers and lives to
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trying to answer these sorts of
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trying to answer these sorts of
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questions and they're not easy
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questions and they're not easy
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and i'll just add my end of talk
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and i'll just add my end of talk
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disclaimer that
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disclaimer that
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i have not studied any of these issues
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i have not studied any of these issues
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and only listened to these talks and
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and only listened to these talks and
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became informed by them and so i would
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became informed by them and so i would
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suggest
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suggest
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go listen to the actual talks themselves
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go listen to the actual talks themselves
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instead of my views in particular but
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instead of my views in particular but
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i thought it was really excellent the
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i thought it was really excellent the
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series of speakers that came in to talk
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series of speakers that came in to talk
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about these very related issues
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about these very related issues
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and listen to them with an with an eye
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and listen to them with an with an eye
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to
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to
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are these people in effect hacked
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are these people in effect hacked
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just arguing for whatever policy they're
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just arguing for whatever policy they're
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in favor of or are they people
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in favor of or are they people
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who are trying to find the truth here
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who are trying to find the truth here
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and whichever you think
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and whichever you think
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you be someone and we should all be
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you be someone and we should all be
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people who are trying to find the truth
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people who are trying to find the truth
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here and if you
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here and if you
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have reasons to think any of the
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have reasons to think any of the
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panelists or any of the talks are wrong
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panelists or any of the talks are wrong
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right or they get the facts wrong uh or
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right or they get the facts wrong uh or
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there's more information they're not
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there's more information they're not
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considering or have they thought about
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considering or have they thought about
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this or
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this or
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what about this method or you have links
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what about this method or you have links
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to other materials that uh
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to other materials that uh
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you think are better on this or add
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you think are better on this or add
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context to the picture please we've got
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context to the picture please we've got
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these things up on youtube you can
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these things up on youtube you can
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link send comments send them to us um
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link send comments send them to us um
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because you know we want to know what's
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because you know we want to know what's
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true and we hope you guys do
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true and we hope you guys do
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and too and come to our talks and we
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and too and come to our talks and we
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always get people to ask live questions
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always get people to ask live questions
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and that's always a
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and that's always a
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a wonderful part of our experience so
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a wonderful part of our experience so
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thank thank you very much everyone and
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thank thank you very much everyone and
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we will we'll see you soon
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we will we'll see you soon
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